
Newsvine is fundamentally about the democratization of news. Its most foundational promise is to provide its users with a platform by which each person can define the set of news that is important and meaningful to them. You no longer have to wait for a major media company or newspaper to tell you what's news: you get to both decide for yourself as then share that news with the community at large and with your friends.
In Newsvine's first several months, we've succeeded in several key areas which allow us to take this huge next step:
Up until now, however, there has been only one community. The community is comprised of the people who visit main sections of Newsvine and/or contribute news which makes it into a main section. Back when the Newsvine community was small, this wasn't so much of a issue, as there was room for everyone to make it onto the front page from time to time. However, as Newsvine has grown, it's become much more difficult to get front page exposure.
As well, if Newsvine is going to fulfill its foundational promise of the true democratization of news, there needs to be a place for everyone to define the news that is important to them, and to invite others to participate in the discussion and dissemination of news.
To address this opportunity, Newsvine today introduces Newsvine Groups BETA. Since public launch, we've never given the "beta" label to anything, but this project is extremely complex from an architecture and interface standpoint and we fully admit that we haven't gotten everything perfect yet. It's been a three-month project so far -- our largest since launch -- and we're sure that in the first several days of using it, the Newsvine community will have plenty of feedback as to what should be changed, improved, or simplified.
This release is actually three releases in one:
Each user can now create Public and Private Groups to reflect their interests and the interests of their friends. Each group has its own front page at "http://yourgroupaddress.newsvine.com" and you can invite others to join and contribute with only a few clicks. Only members can contribute, but in a Public Group the Group's front page and all content within it is viewable by the general public. A sample use for a Private Group would be if you had some friends with whom you enjoyed discussing politically sensitive issues. Each member could write, seed, and read articles within your group and nobody else would be able to see them. A sample use for a Public Group would be if you were a Duke basketball fan and you wanted to gather together the best information resource for Duke basketball fans around the world.
Note there are now three places an article can be published to: the user's column (this happens automatically), "All of Newsvine" (this has been the default behavior up until now), and any Groups the user decides to publish to. Thus, when a user is publishing an article, he or she may continue to publish to his or her own column, "All of Newsvine", *and* whatever the appropriate group is... thus minimizing any change in publishing workflow.
Let's say you just have a small group of people with whom you like to share articles with. Your immediate family, for instance. You don't want to set up a Private Group for your family and you don't want your own front page. You just want the ability to share and discuss articles with them from time-to-time. For this functionality, we are introducing "Friend Lists". You can maintain as many Friend Lists as you'd like and adding people is as simple as typing in an email address or Newsvine username. Once a Friend List is created, you can then choose to publish any article or seed to it. A notification will go out to everyone on your Friend List and with one click, they can join your private discussion.
Newsvine Groups represents a major milestone in aggregation of news sources as well as giving users the tools they need to define and discuss the news that is important to each individual. With this release we're one step closer to fulfilling Newsvine's vision of democratizing the news.
During these first few days, we've allowed several users to create Groups but have temporarily frozen the creation of new Groups. This test period will hopefully only last a few days, but if any major problems cropped up, we wanted to make sure we only had five groups to adjust instead of 500. So head on over to the Newsvine Groups page (available in the black navigation bar at the top of the screen) and Newsvine Groups Help and get ta' groupin'! We'll open up Group creation as soon as the tires are sufficiently kicked...
My bet is that "private" groups will be the exception, rather than the rule.
My bet is that private groups will not really deter from the average user's experience as they'll likely not even see them (until they're more well-versed in the 'Vine). :)
Nice job guys! I am a little worried though on the availablitly of simple group names due to usersnames taking them all up. Is there a possibility on making groups have a different URL structure? Say [name of group].groups.newsvine.com? This would also ensure users are not confused with groups. Looked at some names for groups and found the good ones are already taken...one by someone that hasn't used it at all. :(
If not, I want dibs on a few group names!
That's one of the first things I thought when I seen a group for the first time. Perhaps it would be a good idea to differ them from usernames?
There are good arguments for uniqueness across username and groupnames. No ambiguity (do you mean the hotchick user or the hotchick group?). Simplicity (a group column is just like a user column, except multiple owners). Maybe others.
One thing I noticed... do articles posted privately in a group not count towards our rankings? I wrote a semi-popular article in the artsvine club, but it doesn't appear in the weekly category of the leaderboard.
I can understand the rationale for not including them (spamming groups looking to boost their own rankings)... still curious, though.
Maybe it would be good to have separate group leaderboards -- not for who leads within a group, but comparing groups themselves?
Why? I still do not get it. Is it chattier? Do you connect more in conversation? Newsvine killed MSN groups et all, now there is newsvine groups.beta
hi Beauty:
The answers to your questions are within the BLOG post. Specifically, beginning here:
Up until now, however, there has been only one community. [...]
..and ending here, in the next paragraph:
As well, if Newsvine is going to fulfill its foundational promise of the true democratization of news, there needs to be a place for everyone to define the news that is important to them, and to invite others to participate in the discussion and dissemination of news.
Let's see:
I still do not get it. Is it chattier?
Yes, in a way, it's chattier, because you can more easily find people who share similar interests, which results in more interesting conversations [to the people in the group at least], which will lead to more conversations. As well, the conversations are more niche, which, to me means they are both more valuable as well as more interesting.
Do you connect more in conversation?
I think so .. for the same reasons as the answer to your last question.
Great!!, Only a selected few can create groups at this time. How long is this beta testing going to be?
Until I (and a few others) finish breaking the whole thing... could be a while, they built this out of some strange impermeable destruction-resistant material.
Woot! When is the next big feature to be expected?
Shame, its down now.
Thank you, can I have another.
I'm waiting, (im)patiently. I have five members for my artists group. Damn near everything is already laid out. I'll I need is a green light.
Thanks Tom, I must admit that I did not read enough about newsvine.groups.beta and dismissed it as "we have seen this before", but you have simplified it for me.
Yes, in a way, it's chattier, because you can more easily find people who share similar interests, which results in more interesting conversations [to the people in the group at least], which will lead to more conversations. As well, the conversations are more niche, which, to me means they are both more valuable as well as more interesting.
Great groups within a group is valuable and sparks fly but my concern comes from a nice American who is now trying to sell laptops to poor 3rd world countries;
If I post something to a private group, will it show on my own column? I want to post some things to start collaborative working projects to a private group, but don't want it on my column.
It will only appear in a private module on your column (if you choose to "unhide" the module). This module will only be visible to people in the private group. So to answer your question, yes, it's private.
Mike, the description of the module on the customize your column page probably should mention private groups:
A list of your articles and seeds that have been published privately to Friend Lists. Only friends with the proper access will see items in here.
Thanks Mike.
Everyone reading this article, I suggest you join the Newsvine Community group.
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