Newsvine and The New York Times Share the Love

I think this is the first time I've seen a comment that says sweet fennel that ISN'T ranked as a popular comment.

All fennel rises to the top given a large enough timeline.

hahaha wow. that was pretty quick.

I agree, and I kind of wish Groups columns looked like that. I like the dark green better than the black.

Indeed she did. In fact, I link to her article right at the beginning of mine.

:)

Hehe - not having a dig at you Brian, just the blog cyborg *grin*

Calling it fair and balanced doesn't make it fair and balanced.

Or, you could call all of your conservative friends and invite them to seed conservative news until they're too tired to seed.

(Invite 2 conservatives who seed 30 stories a month, and there are suddenly 60 conservative points-of-view [point-of-views?] hitting newsvine.)

On the other hand, it -is- easier to complain and doing something is a lot of work.

And calling the New York Times "one of the world's most respected news organizations" suggests a reply of "speak for yourself, not for Newsvine".

Are you saying that the owners of Newsvine don't have the right to speak for Newsvine?

You're a guest, they're your host. I think they can pretty much say what they want so long as they don't attribute the saying to you. Which, no matter how I look at it -- I can't see that they've attempted to do so.

I'm just saying "fair and balanced" is Fox's regurgitated marketing - I wasn't looking to start NV Jihad - let's try t keep that contained to the Politics section.

Brian Ford:

Are you saying that the owners of Newsvine don't have the right to speak for Newsvine?

You're a guest, they're your host.

I may not be a root but I am a leaf. Rights, schmights, I say.

That's not quite accurate. We have all heard of the false reporting and doctored photos.
We all know that most reporters and news organizations are liberal, so it stands to reason that most of the stories coming off the AP carry a liberal slant. To deny this is just plain ignorant. As part of my job, I pull stories off the AP Wire, so yes, I'm aware of who they are. The stories come so fast and furious, that yes, it is difficult to spot bias at first glance.

As a moderate conservative, I can honestly say that I sense the bias in most of the AP & NYTimes articles that cross my desk. Calling AP & NYTimes liberal is in the eye of the beholder, wouldn't you say? Fox News is fair and balanced, reporting both sides of an issue and allowing you to decide - but most of you would sense bias and call them conservative. Correct? Since it is difficult for you to sort out the bias, this is precisely why I suggested other alternatives.

On the other hand, it -is- easier to complain and doing something is a lot of work.

This one is funny. Is it my job to provide news stories for myself on Newsvine? I believe that Newsvine wants to present a fair and balanced perspective of the news - showing only AP and NYTimes stories would not accomplish that goal. I have to go elsewhere to get the complete picture because I cannot rely on NYTimes or AP to tell the whole story.

If Newsvine were to set up an agreement with FoxNews like they have with NYTimes (except I'd lean towards getting their video feeds) - Newsvine would attract conservatives and could possibly double in size (Fox News is the number one news channel, you know).

Calling it fair and balanced doesn't make it fair and balanced.

Calling the sky green doesn't make it green. So? Fox News is fair and balanced because they give equal opportunity to both sides - the other side sometimes chooses not to take advantage of these opportunities, but that's their problem.

Corey Spring:

I wasn't looking to start NV Jihad - let's try t keep that contained to the Politics section.

I'm not looking for Jihad either. Though it does seem to me that NV is just about half Jihad already. As for the "Politics section", to mention the NY Times is to go political. You guys got your Fox and we got our Times, AP, Reuters, BBC, and most of the rest. It's all politics.

That's not quite...

-though-

...that's their problem.

Whatever. Your persecution complex is unwarranted and unnecessarily combative. Way to hijack the thread, though.

You'll note that the NY Times contacted Newsvine -- not the other way around. My guess is that Fox hasn't done so. So, like most of the other pointless complaints about liberal bias, the discrepancy is most likely due to a lack of effort on the side of Fox News.

In short: Complain to Fox news, not Newsvine.

GoReporter:
That's not quite accurate. We have all heard of the false reporting and doctored photos. We all know that most reporters and news organizations are liberal, so it stands to reason that most of the stories coming off the AP carry a liberal slant.

1) I assume you are talking about the doctored photos from Reuters, and not the AP, which regardless, were an extreme mistake and not an everyday occurrence.

2) I pull also pull off stories from the AP wire for my job too, it doesn't make your opinion or mine for that matter any more accurate than anyone else's opinion. Because that's what you're giving, an opinion.

Regardless, I'm sure you have the greatest intentions. The system of Newsvine is set up so you can provide another perspective of the news and share it with others. Show me that on CNN.com or MSNBC.com?

pseudonihilist:

You guys got your Fox and we got our Times, AP, Reuters, BBC, and most of the rest. It's all politics.

Come on, it's really not - unless you want to make it everything. My life is too short to politicize everything, though, and it probably wouldn't be as fun.

I'm not going to do a screaming match today. Everyone pour yourself some eggnog and take a deep breath. ;)

"have your people contact our people". :)

Sorry, I don't have any friends in the outreach department over there - but if I get the opportunity, why I'll sure bring it up.
I suggest you make them an offer they can't refuse. Or, maybe I should do the work and start Newsvineright. (Just kidding).
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Well, that statement is either true or false depending on what your definition of liberal is,

Well like I said, it's all in the eye of the beholder.
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lack of effort on the side of Fox News

Perhaps FoxNews has never heard of Newsvine. I'm not really complaining, I like Newsvine, I'm just suggesting that Newsvine try to be more fair and balanced with their news sourcing.
If you think I generate a bit of heat, what do you think a couple of Fox News articles will do for traffic? I would imagine some of their headlines would heat things up a bit - which makes for good discussions on Newsvine. :-)

I would imagine some of their headlines would heat things up a bit - which makes for good discussions on Newsvine.

Sometimes. Sometimes it makes for pointless bickering.

2) I pull also pull off stories from the AP wire for my job too, it doesn't make your opinion or mine for that matter any more accurate than anyone else's opinion. Because that's what you're giving, an opinion.

Are you saying my opinion is wrong? If a moderate or conservative (maybe me) reads an article and detects liberal bias, is my opinion wrong? No.

1) I assume you are talking about the doctored photos from Reuters, and not the AP, which regardless, were an extreme mistake and not an everyday occurrence.

The doctored Reuters photos were not an extreme 'mistake' - they were blatant lies!
AP bad
AP bad
AP very bad

......just to name a few. The fact that they are not an everyday occurrence is not necessarily encouraging. We can easily forgive mistakes, but not blatant lies. To be fair, yes, I was generally referring to all the bad publicity that Reuters has been receiving lately, but I also recalled hearing similar stories about the AP in the past.

There is a pattern in the doctored stories and photos, a pattern of making things look worse than they actually are. This is what the NYTimes and CNN, etc. do all the time. They selectively distort the news, sensationalize it, and make it appear worse than it really is.

Just looking for some balance in the news sourcing, that's all.

Have you considered auditing a statistics class?

How could a news "collective" owned and operated by basically every news organization in the USA, including Fox News, end up as anything but representative of the US as a whole? I mean, do you suppose that some small-town paper in South Dakota is liberal? They are a member. How about Hearst? They are members. How about the Washington Times, owned by the Moonies. They are members. The Press Association pools news from every member orgnanization, and is itself a nonprofit. To accuse it of liberal bias says a lot more about the accuser than the organization.

Fox News may or may not be biased, but it redefines journalism when it puts on a talk show featuring a conservative bully and a "faux-liberal" punching bag and calls it journalism. Or when it puts Dick Cheney on and lobs softball questions at him.

I met Roger Ailes once and spent about an hour with him. He was one scary dude. Evil. Machiavellian. I swear I saw three little 6s emerging on his bald pate.

It sure would be nice if you would read all the posts before making your comments. Studies have shown, reported on CNN even, that most reporters and news organizations are liberal. This does not make them representative of the country as a whole. Our political system works like that, but not our media.
If we could vote reporters into their positions - that would be a different story. I vote for that idea right now.

maybe the lettuce had e-coili or something...

This does not make them representative of the country as a whole. Our political system works like that, but not our media. If we could vote reporters into their positions - that would be a different story. I vote for that idea right now.

We do vote for our media -- free market votes rather than political ones. The irony of your statement is that conservatives want less government and more reliance on the free market, but here you are essentially asking for affirmative action for conservative reporters.

Affirmative action for conservative reporters and news is a failure. Look at it, conservatives get a news channel in Fox News, and token conservative reporters on CNN and the like and they are known as "conservative news" and the "token conservative" and used as excuses for why the media really isn't biased, or may even be biased the other way. It's like a college admitting 5% minorities and calling that diversity. "Oh, here's our token black student, see how diverse we are. *wink, wink*" That is the news with conservatism as well. "Oh here's out token conservative Op/Ed guy and then there's Fox News, we're not biased. *wink, wink*" Notice the conservatives are never actually the reporters they are always the analysts and opinion guys to remove their credibility as news sources because they are just giving their opinion.

It would be great to see it on a lot of the other news sites, including local ones.
Worcester News is a place I seed from fairly often, but its run by a company - newsquest, who do a lot of other local news sites, so getting into an agreement with them could allow the functionality to be added to a few sites.

Agreed, this tool makes seeding links a little more accurate and quicker though it would be useful to be able to choose a category (or have it detect one) for the news to be added to.

Fantastic!

The problem is that it includes a semicolon in the URL, apparently expecting newsvine to parse the contents after the semicolon and use it as the article title. Newsvine does no such thing, so links are malformed, as they still contain the title and semicolon. Clicking on them to return you to the news.com.au site gives you a 404

Here's an example

http://hewie.newsvine.com/_news/2006/12/15/484352-a-heart-breakingtragedy

Click on the read article link, and you don't get a valid page on news.com.au

The seed links to http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20931774-2,00.html;title=Anguish%20over%20drowning%20tragedy%20|%20NEWS.com.au when it should be http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20931774-2,00.html

Hrm that link should point to www.thelantern.com

There's quite a few sites with digg this links of a similar fashion, with a couple having seed newsvine links (the metro site that I check occasionally has one).
What's nice about the nytimes one and why it would be good to see it on the other sites is how easy it makes seeding links, but allowing advanced members to continue to seed the usual way, or to go in and edit the seed after.