Introducing Newsvine Live

Another week, another new feature. These things are becoming so common now that you'd think we have some sort of redesign in the works. Hmmm, do we?

This week's new feature is something we call "Newsvine Live" and it's available via the Backyard (for now) and at as well. Newsvine Live is an (almost) live view into what's happening on Newsvine. You'll see new stories, new seeds, new comments, new votes, new comment votes, and perhaps a few more things there. Additionally, we've added the Newsvine Live Chat module in there in case you want to talk to people as you're camped out watching things fly by.

Newsvine Live will draw the inevitable comparisons to Digg Spy, and for the moment, those comparisons are fair. This is just a first crack and you'll hopefully be seeing it used in many other ways in the near future.

So kick around on Newsvine Live for a little while and let us know what you like about it and what you'd like to see in the future.

Incidentally, we're also quietly making visible the Newsvine Archive (also available via the Backyard). The Newsvine Archive is a comprehensive listing of all the articles and seeds published to Newsvine every day... updated every hour.

Both Newsvine Live and the Newsvine Archive are great ways to discover new content before it has a chance to hit the front page. By exposing new content in this manner, we hope to further tune the flow of information around the 'Vine.

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Is there a feed for the archive? I'm a big fan of RSS and I could see myself spending way more time on Newsvine if I could view the archive through a feed reader. Would probably also make an OS X widget easier to write as well.

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Reply#29 - Sun Feb 4, 2007 1:13 PM EST

I don't like the idea of my comments and votes being tracked at all, not one tiny bit. On my own column features page, there's no display of recent comments, for that reason.

It seems like many could see it as a silly distinction when comments are public anyway and I've serious questions about recording votes as public.

I would like a way to opt out of that much scrutiny of my movement. This doesn't make me one bit happy. Not by a long shot. It will effect my participation in what doesn't feel too positive at the moment.

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Reply#31 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 2:02 PM EST

I'm somewhat interested in why you feel that way, Pamela? I think it's important, in a community of strong opinions, that we have access to "what's been said" in the past. If someone says: "You said this" -- and I know that it didn't go down quite like "they" say, I want to be able to be sure that my recollection is better than theirs. Further, I want to be able to prove that it is.

This is one of the reasons why I dislike that whole comment threads can be wiped clean: There have been times in the past where something I've said was referenced (negatively) and that something was no longer available. So, at that point -- one can only "disagree" -- but depending on who you're disagreeing with (and where) that may not be enough.

On the flip side, it's very easy for a person to say: "I never held that opinion..." -- a record of that opinion being held seems like a useful tool, to me.

I guess what I'm saying is: The only reason to fear this tracking seems to be if you worry that you might be tripped up by it.

Frankly, I wish it were easier to track comments. I want a way to boolean a search: (Find: Posts in which brianford + [whoever] + [keyword]) so that I can track down something I've said very quickly. There are times when I want to argue something I "feel" I've argued well in the past -- and I don't want to re-argue it when I could just copy and paste. There are also times where I'm told that I said something, and I want a quick and easy way to find out for sure whether I did.

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Reply#32 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 2:15 PM EST

Though, now that I think about it, I guess I probably misinterpreted you: I think now that I look at it, you don't want it to be public "who" you vote for, or "who" is voting for you?

I guess I can understand that, even if I don't really share the concern.

It will effect my participation in what doesn't feel too positive at the moment.

I will say that I'm still not sure I understand that last portion.

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#32.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 2:34 PM EST

Google works pretty well at least for finding comments in which you know the person who posted the article. For instance, I can search for " "adam kemp"" to find all comments I've posted on your articles. Then I can narrow it down further by including someone else's name. It doesn't work on a per-comment basis, but it usually gets the job done. It also helps to have some recollection of the exact words used so that you can narrow the results down more.

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#32.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 3:38 PM EST

My comments are public and my votes should not be. Here's how it's an invasion of privacy and deterrent to voting.

If there's a view that I support but would not really feel comfortable stating myself, I could vote for someone else's comment and go on my way. Not now, every vote is now subject to review as well, you voted for this comment or people assuming more about your views by votes.

Even as I type now it kind of creeps me out to think someone, anyone is monitoring my actions on that level and some report is kicking out the details of where I'm moving around the vine. Do not like it at all and can't even stop thinking of it to the point of ruining the spontaneity of the comments.

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#32.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 4:38 PM EST

I guess it's a whole lot like the issues people were having with Facebook when the Newsfeed was introduced. I can understand to a limited extent the desire for privacy, but like Brian said, I don't really understand the desire to hide what's already public...

I suppose some extra privacy features wouldn't hurt in appeasing those who don't want their comments/votes appearing on the live feed, but I would also be disappointed if they were widely used, because it makes the feed so much less useful.

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Reply#33 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 2:30 PM EST

I agree. I don't understand the privacy concerns. Everything on Newsvine/Facebook was already public. Making better tools to find that data doesn't change the fact that it was already there. If you want privacy, then don't post stuff online. Once you've posted, though, you can't complain about privacy. You made a choice.

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#33.1 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 3:41 PM EST

Here's what I see as the difference and it may not bother some people but it distresses me greatly. Before the tracker someone could read any comment that I make by choosing to go to articles where my comments could possibly be, and reading them. Now every time I move somewhere, someone can follow me. Don't think this is some egotistical paranoia like people are waiting to see it, it's the principle of having the right to control the information I choose to share. Tracking where I am reading and what comments I support is way over the line for me..

I have always enjoyed voting. It's not a matter of being unwilling to acknowledge what I vote for, or even giving a hoot how many times someone sees me vote for my own things, just not information that I want to share with the world. I think privacy in voting changes everything. Anyone who has ever been in a show of hands situation knows the results would be different with a secret ballot and this is a loss by my measure.

Maybe if I were alias XYZ, operating anonymously to begin with, I would have some sense that my privacy was protected by being an anonymous contributor. For all the talk of users being encouraged to be honest about who they are, this seems to make that double standard even wider. Being up front about my identity, strips every bit of privacy from me the moment I log on.

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#33.2 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 4:59 PM EST

I understand your point about voting, because this information wasn't available before. We can argue about whether that information should be public or not, but the comments are a different issue.

It sounds like your problem isn't that it shows people your comments, but that it shows them in real time. I don't understand that concern. Who cares if people know in real time or later on what you're commenting on? It's not like this information can be used by them to track you down. Even if you imagine some weird scenario in which someone is "following" you by reading all the articles you're commenting on right after you post, who cares? That's weird, but it's not dangerous. It's not going to hurt you.

That said, I think it would be easy enough to check whether your comments/votes are visible on your homepage before posting them to the live view.

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#33.3 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 5:08 PM EST

In theory no monitoring of your activity hurts you.

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#33.4 - Fri Mar 2, 2007 7:38 PM EST

In theory no monitoring of your activity hurts you.

Reminds me of an engineering joke -

Q) What's the difference between theory and practice?

A) In theory, there's no difference.

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#33.5 - Sat Mar 3, 2007 11:41 AM EST

In turn that remind me of a physics joke I read as a first year (freshman; for those of you who prefer the term);
What type of physicist are you?
(a) You prefer to get a model to fit a result
(b) You prefer to get a result to fit a model
(c) You prefer a result with a fit model

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#33.6 - Sat Mar 3, 2007 12:25 PM EST

I do have a privacy question: I wanted my online status to be hidden, so I set this option on, and on my column, you indeed don't see I'm online. However, when I comment on something, or vote for something, my name shows up in Newsvine Live, consequently revealing to those watching, I am online.

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Reply#34 - Sun Mar 4, 2007 1:58 PM EST

Oops, indeed...I did a story to see if others had an issue with the privacy, you may want to look at the comments.

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#34.1 - Sun Mar 4, 2007 11:26 PM EST

I read those, but I didn't see anyone from the Newsvine team, and though perhaps my comment made a better chance of getting seen in this comments thread. I consider this to be a bug.

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#34.2 - Mon Mar 5, 2007 3:14 PM EST

They have one there now, they fixed it so the names don't show on the comment votes, great job by the guys!!

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#34.3 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 2:10 AM EST

I don't particularly care for votes. My concern is also with comments, seeds and articles. I don't mind people reading my comments, seeds and articles, I don't really care about people seeing my votes either, but since I chose my online status to be hidden, I don't want to show up in Newsvine Live either.

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#34.4 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 7:04 AM EST

Three cheers for the Newsvine geeks, I mean staff! Hip-hip Hooray!

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#34.5 - Tue Mar 6, 2007 10:11 PM EST

Never mind.... IF see something I don't like I will fix it - or get out.

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