Comment Editing Goes Live

An early holiday present for Newsviners (or you could consider it a very belated holiday gift): comment editing is now live! Here's how it works:

You'll notice a small black bar underneath a recently published comment. You have 3 minutes to begin editing a comment, after it's initially published. Once you decide to edit your comment, you'll have 5 minutes to save your changes.

No more fat-fingered spelling errors (we hope) and follow up comments to the effect of "oops, I meant...".

Here's to Looking Much Smarter Here!

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One thought -- perhaps we ought to have some markup on other people's
comments that are still within the editing period? Nothing really
ostentatious mind you, just something subtle and discrete. The idea
there being that, as contents of that comment are likely to change, it
might not be a bad idea to remind people that what they're

hmmm... that didn't work

  • 4 votes
Reply#34 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:21 PM EDT

This is a good idea. That way we can also choose to quote the author in case he/she decides to revise it later.

For example:
I could type: "Killfile is an idiot"
and let it stay for 3 minutes so people can see it. Then go back and edit it to say: "Killfile is a sweetheart." If I'm not mistaken, I could wait for 5 min before actually saving my new comment. Which means that for 8 minutes, people woulda seen my first comment.

But, if the markup is there then someone can quote my original comment and then showcase my real feelings to the community even after I've revised to my second comment.

This is an extreme example but there are cases where the ability to know that a comment is still "fresh" and liable to be edited/revised would be useful.

    #34.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:19 PM EDT

    I saw someone say that the comment doesn't show until the 3 minutes expire.

    • 1 vote
    #34.2 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:29 PM EDT

    It would make more sense to suspend the time to post, not edit the displayed text until the window for altering is expired. However they've done it, the result is fantastic, thanks. Can you invent a thing to do laundry next?

    • 3 votes
    #34.3 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:20 PM EDT

    Can you invent a thing to do laundry next?

    Washing machine?

    • 1 vote
    #34.4 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:31 PM EDT

    Washing machine?

    Manservant.

    • 2 votes
    #34.5 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:27 PM EDT

    Robotservant.

    But then you have to use 3 laws, and then that gets complicated, then...

      #34.6 - Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:58 PM EDT

      Off by one error -- don't forget the Zeroth law.

      • 2 votes
      #34.7 - Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:47 PM EDT
      Reply

      Thank you for helping out someone (me) who hits return too quickly sometimes!

      • 2 votes
      Reply#35 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:24 PM EDT

      You know what might be nice? Some sort of visual indication that a comment has been edited.

      • 4 votes
      Reply#36 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:26 PM EDT

      Wow, an hour and a half after it goes live...

      =P

      • 6 votes
      #36.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:41 PM EDT

      Hey -- I've never once asked for chat after it was cut from the feature list due to non-use, so I figure I get to make this little request as a bonus for that restraint.

      • 7 votes
      #36.2 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:52 PM EDT

      Given the limited time that the comment can be edited, I think Killfiles suggestiong makes more sense.

      • 6 votes
      #36.3 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:02 PM EDT

      Given the limited time that the comment can be edited, I think Killfiles suggestiong makes more sense.

      I agree. Killfile's suggestion is gentler on the Vine.

      Some sort of visual indication that a comment has been edited.

      That to me reminds me of when the Nazis used to go around marking the houses of Jews back in the 1940's. I don't think we need any permanent marker to see which comments have been edited or not. In 99.99% cases it would just be somethin' simple as fixin' a typo. Why care if someone fixed a typo or not and why have a permanent marker littering up Newsvine? Not to mention storing all that extra useless info would probably slow down loading of the pages.

        #36.4 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:24 PM EDT

        I'll concede that it wouldn't be necessary all of the time, or even most of the time. That doesn't mean it wouldn't ever serve a purpose. I don't really buy the "it would slow up Newsvine" argument though.

        • 1 vote
        #36.5 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:24 PM EDT

        Plus, I think those of us who type better than most would appreciate some sort of visual indication of our superiority.

        • 3 votes
        #36.6 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:06 PM EDT

        It won't slow up newsvine at all unless the developers completely missed the point of relational databases (if you did, I'm available at a reasonable rate). What it will do is clutter up the display.

        That's why I like the idea of marking comments still in the "editable" window. That markup will go away on its own in time... and even if the devs messed up the database it won't matter, that doesn't even require a join.

        • 2 votes
        #36.7 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:52 AM EDT

        It won't slow up newsvine at all unless the developers completely missed the point of relational databases (if you did, I'm available at a reasonable rate). What it will do is clutter up the display.

        It won't clutter up the display at all unless the designers completely missed the point of -- uh -- designing interfaces. You people are aware that the entire point of Graphic Design is to solve problems and present functional, useable design, right?

        I can think of any number of ways to make a really subtle element that wouldn't get in the way of anything -- so I find it odd that your first impulse is that it would be obtrusive.

        • 3 votes
        #36.8 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:07 AM EDT

        Uh oh, looks like we have a rumble between a designer and programmer ;-)

        The AoD is open I believe...

        • 1 vote
        #36.9 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:27 AM EDT

        Plus, I think those of us who type better than most would appreciate some sort of visual indication of our superiority.

        So that was it! Another vanity button. Why not add it to the Leaderboard?

        The "real writers don't edit" statistics.

        • 2 votes
        #36.10 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 3:12 PM EDT
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        w00t! I've been waiting for this, thanks! This almost makes up for the comment tracker acting wacky the past few days, lol

        • 2 votes
        Reply#37 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:30 PM EDT

        Fantastic stuff.

        I knew this had to be the reason Newsvine wasn't working last week. I bet Evan you guys were trying to get it so edited comments wouldn't re-appear in the tracker.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#38 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:42 PM EDT

        I bet Evan you guys were trying to get it so edited comments wouldn't re-appear in the tracker.

        Now that would explain things

        • 4 votes
        #38.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:43 PM EDT
        Reply

        Lemme take a shot at it too.
        Ah, an edit possibility with a timer. Talk about pressure.
        I think this is a great solution, I was worried that people could edit their comments indefinitely. I do not need to take screengrabs of other peoples stupidity and ignorance now, it's here to stay. Kewl. Satisfied.

        • 3 votes
        Reply#39 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:51 PM EDT

        excellent

        • 3 votes
        Reply#40 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 4:52 PM EDT

        Calvin

        Here's an idea:

        When a user seeds an article that is already seeded (and it gets flagged by Doppelganger) - automatically register a vote to the original seed ( as the second seeder clearly thinks its a worthwhile article).

        • 6 votes
        #40.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:01 PM EDT

        Cool idea, impossible to implement.

        Hell, there are a few papers that, if I try to seed more than one story from them, the new seed takes over the pop-up window from the old one.

        Doppleganger simply isn't smart enough to deal with this sort of thing to the level of certainty necessary to assign votes. If it ever gets there, then I think that's a great idea. Right now though, that's a ways off - particularly because lots of publications revise their text.

        • 2 votes
        #40.2 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:56 AM EDT

        Doppleganger simply isn't smart enough to deal with this sort of thing to the level of certainty necessary to assign votes. If it ever gets there, then I think that's a great idea. Right now though, that's a ways off - particularly because lots of publications revise their text.

        So we need Doppleganger to hang out in Newsvine more so it can "get smarter here."

        Doppleganger just told me not to seed a story about a trial regarding Phelps because Calvin already wrote a story about how to seed effectively. I'm starting to think Doppleganger is on crack.

          #40.3 - Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:41 AM EDT
          Reply

          This was a big long comment but it was changes to this since it was purely a test.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#41 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:41 PM EDT

          changes

          Wow, even with the edit I still mess up

          • 1 vote
          #41.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:45 PM EDT
          Reply

          Gratuitous comment to edit.

          Ch ch ch changes. Like it.

            Reply#42 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 5:50 PM EDT

            [insert something mildly humorous and original here within the next 3 minutes]

            But seriously, thanks Newsvine.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#43 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:05 PM EDT

            Congratulations & Celebrations.

            This comment was made without any edit feature. Yippee!

            • 3 votes
            Reply#44 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:14 PM EDT

            Thanks.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#45 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:48 PM EDT

            I was just give the opportunity to edit a comment and thought hello, time to visit the newsvine 'blog. OH, all the times I wish I'd had this in the past :)

            quick edit coz I can

            ah ha - five minutes to save changes.

            • 2 votes
            Reply#46 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 6:53 PM EDT

            I just posted a comment and saw the edit option!! Thanks guys! This is GREAT!

            • 1 vote
            Reply#47 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:03 PM EDT

            Not so fast. I just posted and the comment edit gave me 63 minutes to edit. It's down to 56 now. NV, you listening?

            Now it's clear. and I made it back here in time to edit. Fascinating. Facinating. Speeling?

              Reply#48 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:28 PM EDT

              THANK YOU!

              • 1 vote
              Reply#49 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:29 PM EDT

              Just posted this in FF and looked at in (not logged in) with Internet Exploder -- I don't believe the post goes live until the edit window expires.

                Reply#50 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:32 PM EDT

                They could just be connected to different servers. It takes time for the servers to all communicate together.

                  #50.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:41 PM EDT

                  That's a very definite possibility. I made my assumption based on the fact that my post in IE didn't show up until the timer expired and I'd refreshed the page in FF.

                    #50.2 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:50 PM EDT

                    It takes time for the servers to all communicate together.

                    Umm, that doesn't make sense, my friend.

                    I can send email to my buddy in Afghanistan and it gets to him in 1 second or less. Why should it take any time for servers prolly sitting in the same office so much time?

                      #50.3 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:51 PM EDT

                      Dropping into geek speak, I believe they will be using a process called replication. Data is stored on a master server and replicated across secondary servers. It is a reliable way to ensure fast access to the data by all, no matter where they are accessing it. There is always a few secs/mins delay whilst data gets replicated.

                      • 2 votes
                      #50.4 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:01 PM EDT

                      Yeah, but I think DamianKD is talking about minutes and not seconds. And even if what you say is true, and DamianKD is being sent to two different servers based on his choice of browser, that's kinda lame.

                        #50.5 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:20 PM EDT

                        Eh -- replication, if the servers are configured right and live in the same room -- should happen faster than what we call "human time."

                        I.E. -- from a user's point of view you should never be able to tell. Now a coder can tell because we see stuff break when we try to do a read based on the return value from a write.

                        Point being, in human time replication shouldn't matter here.

                        In theory.

                        • 1 vote
                        #50.6 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 12:59 AM EDT

                        Killfile, what are you doing commenting here at 1AM (your time), shouldn't you be getting your beauty sleep for the big day tomorrow?

                        :)

                        • 3 votes
                        #50.7 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:56 AM EDT

                        Granted the servers have been better lately, but in the past you'd find "blank" articles all the time, or get an email from a user requesting to join a group but no sign of them requesting it on the group page itself, or the conversation tracker would say a thread has new comments, but when you visited it you found nothing new...

                          #50.8 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:31 AM EDT
                          Reply

                          I love you. So very, very much.

                          Wow, this is awesome.

                            Reply#51 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:35 PM EDT

                            Hey, anybody notice that the time is off on posts? Did you guys forget to patch your servers with the DST changes? :=)

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#52 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:38 PM EDT

                            It's a new feature. Newsvine is an hour ahead of the rest of the world. That's how we will scoop every major news agency ;-)

                            • 4 votes
                            #52.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:42 PM EDT

                            When you have comment editing, what is time?

                            Edit: I see.

                              #52.2 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:44 PM EDT

                              Hey, anybody notice that the time is off on posts? Did you guys forget to patch your servers with the DST changes? :=)

                              Yep, your right. It's an hour ahead. Like you said they prolly forgot the DST patch. DST woulda happened last weekend going by the old schedule.

                              Cool catch, my friend.

                              • 1 vote
                              #52.3 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:53 PM EDT

                              Please explain this to me, I'm having one of those moments. Shouldn't it be an hour the other way?

                                #52.4 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:57 PM EDT

                                Your right, it shoulda shown 5 p.m instead of 6 p.m. if real current time is 6 p.m. and the DST fallback was (mistakenly) applied. Instead, we are seeing 7 p.m. when it's really 6 p.m. So, looks like maybe it's just bad time setting on the servers and prolly nothin' to do with DST.

                                  #52.5 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:25 PM EDT

                                  *smacks forehead*

                                  Good call everyone. I'm S-M-R-T.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #52.6 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:42 PM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  I am going to have to try this out.
                                  Nice.
                                  although it took 3 tries or so to get it to save the changes.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#53 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:07 PM EDT

                                  lLL NEEVR Mskr anothher mestake agin.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#54 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:26 PM EDT

                                  All that hard work of being perfect for years and now everybody can do it. Bah!

                                  • 6 votes
                                  Reply#55 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:37 PM EDT

                                  From comment 29:

                                  Wow, I'm a lower.

                                  Clearly, you'll still have one up on a few people.

                                  Sorry Viki! =)

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #55.1 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:10 PM EDT

                                  pfft.

                                  ;)

                                  • 2 votes
                                  #55.2 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 10:07 AM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  Damn, there goes my best excuse...

                                  • 2 votes
                                  Reply#56 - Mon Oct 29, 2007 10:36 PM EDT

                                  It's about time!

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#57 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:20 AM EDT

                                  Why can't I do it? :( I was going to say Edit: THANKS! but but but.....

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #57.1 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 1:22 AM EDT
                                  Reply

                                  Registering my vote for a smaller window of time for editing.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#58 - Tue Oct 30, 2007 2:53 AM EDT
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