
The average age needed to style comments just went way down.
Photo by Jenn . (License: Creative Commons Attribution)
Beginning today, we are rolling out a completely rewritten comment system. Some users may notice the changes immediately, and others may notice the new stuff several days later. In other words, this is a rolling release, and since it may contain some bugs, we'd rather only a subsection of the Newsvine population be exposed to it at this time.
So, what's new??? A lot of stuff. Some visible and some under the covers:
At long last, you can now style your comments on Newsvine without typing out longhand XHTML tags. Using the new row of buttons on top of the comment box, you can do things like bold and italicize your text as well as adding links. If you aren't into clicking buttons, you can also use familiar shortcuts like Command-B (or Control-B on Windows) to accomplish the same. We give our thanks to the good folks developing the open-source TinyMCE editor for this bit of welcome awesomeness. Since WYSIWYG text editors on the web don't always produce perfect results, you can always switch to XHTML mode and enter tags in the old fashion way if you like. Swapping back and forth between modes is easy.
One of the nice things about the new comment editor is that you can stretch it to be as tall or short as you'd like and your preferred size will be remembered. So if you're a bit longwinded, you can have a big comment box on every page, and if you're more succinct, you can choose a smaller size. Sometimes, however, you're SO passionately engrossed in the penning of a genius comment that you really can't be bothered by any other text on the screen while you're spewing your wisdom. In cases like these, you can now hit the "Full Screen" button and your whole browser will become a canvas for your prose.
As the comment counts have grown at Newsvine, we have been working on a pagination solution which seeks to be an unobtrusive as possible while still allowing for reasonable page load times. We hate pagination over here and we hate sending people to different URLs to read an entire conversation. It's kind of like how you can't just watch an entire season of Dexter by picking up a DVD at your local video store. You have to go to the store multiple times, rent multiple discs, and watch the season piecemeal. It's good for the store and the movie studio as they make more money off of you, but it's bad for you. Pagination is no different, really. Sure we get a few more page views, but the tradeoff is that conversations can become fractured.
Paginating on Newsvine is particularly difficult because we have threaded comments, the super-useful "new" buttons, and the conversation tracker. While those elements make proper pagination extremely difficult, they are also what make Newsvine discussion threads -- from a technical standpoint -- more useful than most other sites' discussion threads.
With this release, we're rolling out "phase 2" of proper pagination on Newsvine (phase 1 was the temporary solution that's been in place for the last couple of months). There will be one more phase to the release, but this one fixes a lot of stuff and makes things generally much better.
Firstly, the conversation tracker now works across multiple pages. Secondly, the "new" buttons and stars now work properly across pages. In other words, if the next "new" comment on a thread happens to be on page 4 and you're on page 1, click on the "new" button will teleport you to page 4. Thirdly, we've turned the final "new" button red so you know you're at the last new comment. Click that final "new" button and you'll be taken to the top of the page. And finally, we now have numbered navigation at the bottoms of our comment threads so you can jump from page 1 to page 30 or directly to the last page with a single click. We're actually encouraged by the amount of bug reports we've gotten every single day for the last month or so about this. We love that people are interested in seeing not just the first comments but also the most recent ones (and theirs, of course).
Although our old spellchecker was apparently so good that OldFogey used it to spellcheck his Word documents, it was less than clean under the hood. Aside from using dated code, a new version of it had to be loaded for each domain. In other words, if you read articles from two Newsviners, you loaded the spellcheck twice. We've now switched to TinyMCE's built-in spellchecker so you only have to load the (much smaller) code once. The spellchecker's quite sharp looking as well. We like it even better than the last one.
The code which displays comments on Newsvine is fairly intricate and hasn't been rewritten in a long time. Over the last several months, there have been a lot of enhancements we've wanted to make to comment threads (such as the ones listed above) that we've held off on until the whole thing could be rewritten. It is now rewritten! With all of this heavy lifting out of the way, we look forward to adding things like avatars, country flags, and other elements to Newsvine comment threads that will further set them apart from the rest of the industry's. You may also find that story pages load a lot faster with the new comment service running.
Look for more improvements soon!
Okay, this is strange, I read about it on a thread and all of a sudden, I have the feature too...
Twilight zone!
BUT - the boxes are all out of whack, not connected, with strange coloration.
Plus, the quoting is not working. After a quote it won't let me type normally.
try "enter" and then the quote button. works for me.
What I have at this moment
Bold, Italic, Block Quote, Strike Through, Insert Link. Unlink, Ordered list, unordered list, Go Back, Go Forward, Remove Formatting, Toggle full screen, and Spell Check
I am Jeremiah Johnson and I think it's kewl
And there I thought I got the new format for good behavior! LOL Pretty cool though. Thanks.
This is very, very "kewl". Love the changes - can't wait until you apply them to articles as well!!
Thanks to you all for the hard work!!
PS - Any chance of adding smilies at some point? Might help avoid a few disputes if we can add a smirk, wink, or other visual to alert our fellow viners that we're being whimsical.
PS - Any chance of adding smilies at some point? Might help avoid a few disputes if we can add a smirk, wink, or other visual to alert our fellow viners that we're being whimsical.
Hear, hear! It would certainly jazz things up a bit! :o)
Hi Ms Cyprah-
Here's one for the techs. Your post, is 'eating' (overlapping) the bottom of the previous post you were answering. Plus the board is making the screen too wide, requiring me to use the slider bar to keep the board centered.
But I'm patient, I know they will work out the bugs, and so far I kinda like the new toys.
Ok, now your post is no longer eating the prior post....but when I hit 'reply'....it shifts everthing 'screen left'.....so I have to use the slider again to center it.
Little by little, all by all...
Keep up the good work, coders!
Keep up the good work, coders!
Well said, MT. They re doing some excellent work, which is easy to forget in the bid to get everything perfect. :o)
OK, maybe I'm showing my age, but I don't like it. What next, we'll start using text messaging spellings? What's wrong with people having to be a little computer literate to do some tricky posting? It's bad enough all the riff-raff we're getting on here. Now, I'm going to have to put up with 72 point font bold red blinking letters calling Obama a Muslim, or some such thing. No, we're on a slippery slope my friends, and I don't like where we're heading. Mark my words... OK, I'm only being half sarcastic. But I don't like it.
Hetep and Respect CliffDogg, You have some good points that I did not think of.
Now, I'm going to have to put up with 72 point font bold red blinking letters calling Obama a Muslim, or some such thing. No, we're on a slippery slope my friends,
As I raise up from being doubled over with laugher, it has dawned on me, that sometimes I am overly optimistic about technology improvments.
I'm beginning to get it myself, but I'm encountering some difficulties with it.
Cat got your tongue, CliffDogg? LOL
Well, something new to learn. Hoping for the best
To everyone who noticed, ummm, "extreme weirdness" today, today was the day we rolled this stuff out to everyone so there were periods when the transition was a bit jacked. Layout issues, spacing issues, hidden threads, etc. It should all be working swimmingly now. Please let us know if you're still noticing any weirdness.
Thanks!
I'm still getting layout wonkiness on some large comment threads, especially if it's the first time I've loaded that thread. (Subsequent loads seem less likely to go all crazy on me.)
Yeah, I've encountered that too yesterday.
Yeah, on really long threads, my comments stretch all the way across the browser window. Everything is centered, so the new button is cuddled up with the username, but the "click for next new" text is off to the left.
It seems (at least in the cases where I've seen the stretching) that it goes further and further every time there is a deleted comment. So it will be fine, hit a deleted comment, be stretched a bit for a few comments until it hits another deleted comment and stretches a bit more, until eventually with enough deleted comments the comment box goes the width of the screen. Very strange indeed.
It's not consistent, (IE: it didn't happen just now, but did a minute ago on another thread), but sometimes when I hit 'reply' the comment box opens...then the page reloads, and shows back up without the comment box. But when I hit 'reply' a second time, everything works normally.
Looks like the ability to add crappy code means tags aren't being closed properly and the problem cascades down the rest of the page. It's hideous.
OMG
i have no idea why it did this
Ooh, so now I can see what everyone else saw. I guess bold beats ALL CAPS SHOUTING. Heh;-) Oh, wait, where did that "preview as you type" deal go? Not that I thought that was all that necessary;-)
I noticed that browser spell-check works in the comment boxes in Firefox 2.x now. Sweet Fennel! I hate having to hit a button for spell-check. I haven't checked in Firefox 3.x yet.
Firefox's spellcheck has always worked for me on here...I haven't used the spellcheck button since there was a spellcheck button lol
Hmm...when the new comment boxes first came out my browser spell-check wasn't working. In fact, I commented on it above somewhere. I suppose they tweaked something.
I prefer FireFox's spell checker. You can teach it. I'm now having problems with not being able to access flickr for pics.
Kyanna, yup. Still a no-go on Flickr. Even uploading images is still wonky. They won't show in edit for adding captions until saved as "unpublished" at least once. Then uploads sometimes refuse to display in preview. Bloody aggravating for now, but certainly not life-and-death.
Thanks, NV Devs for working on all these assorted headaches. The end result is going to be schweet, no doubt!
Spell-check is working in Firefox 3.x too. Happy times!
Even uploading images is still wonky
Yep - discovered that. Had a Hell of a time uploading one of my own. It's embarassing but I had to use a picture of one of my grandbabies as a poor child for one of my articles. He's no Hilton, to be sure, but he does have hats, gloves and coats for winter. The article was about the local kids here that don't have those necessities without the help of our first division police.
Even uploading images is still wonky
Yep - discovered that. Had a Hell of a time uploading one of my own. It's
Yes, I forgot to mention that. When I did my cruise slide show story it would only let me upload one photo before no longer offering me the "upload photo" prompt/link. so I had to hit save and edit. It drove me crazy. And sometimes it would show no picture when one was really there.
I've been considering suggesting we try an experiment that I've seen done at other communities - with names like daypix or day in the life - where we each document a pre-determined date via individual photo essays... but I'm definitely not going to suggest that until they figure out these bugs.
Hooray! It looks like the issues with Flickr & uploaded images are resolved. Thank you, Newsvine Devs!!!
Hooray! It looks like the issues with Flickr & uploaded images are resolved. Thank you, Newsvine Devs!!!
Must be recent because it was fubar when I did my booty call article on Saturday.
Yes, Div. I believe you're correct on the timing. I only noticed the fix a couple of nights ago. Now I'm inspired to get some previously pic-less drafts completed. Question is: will they get published before I'm forced offline for a bit? **tick-tick-tick-tick** ⇐ baby clock
Can someone please cheq spellcheck?
y it wrks phine
I just have one question:
So is there a way to read all of the comments on one single page?
So is there a way to read all of the comments on one single page?
No. Stop whining. <grin>
it's my birthday and i'll whine if i want to.
:)
Seriously let me ask a dumb question.Maybe there's an easier way to do this:
I'd like to read, say, Killfile's debate discussion. I'm going to be offline while at work all day tomorrow. Used to be I had two options kept that newsvine window open all day or copy and paste everything into another program.
Now I'd have to do cut and paste once for each window or open like 33 different windows.
Surely there's a shortcut I don't know of (beyond, say, skipping the job)
Of course if they'd just make a print option (as in print all) that'd be another great solution but I won't hold my breath.
NV Blog:
How the hell do you anchor links?
With the link button! (5th button from the left; looks like a little link of chain.)
spiff:
That produces a live link, not an anchored link. Looks like
Rather than this:
The Sticking Points: Fables for a Bailout (Ants and Grasshoppers and Bulls and Bears ... and Goats)
That's not what it looks like for me. Select the text, hit the link button, enter the URL into the little window that pops up. Looks like this.
spiff:
The Sticking Points: Fables for a Bailout (Ants and Grasshoppers and Bulls and Bears ... and Goats)
Like this?
As it pleases.
grr r...
I'm on Opera, I simply can't "Post Comment" The "post comment" hyperlink text remains gray. Have switched to Safari and that seems to work fine. Posting from P.R. of China.
Opera:
I'm having a problem with inserting links into messages. What am I doing wrong?
Write some test. Highlight the text you want linked. Click on the chain icon. Paste the link in the pop-up box. Voila! That's all I do.
They explain it in detail on the vinecast this week
Thanks lauhal. :)
No problem my round little friend. :)
does the strike thru not work?test
so we lost the del function fun?
as in this kind of mischief fun?
How come I can can't do that?
see, no strike through in can
I can only do it by switching to the old mode. It doesnt seem to work under the new mode.
Hmmmmmm
mine showed in the preview, but not on the post Weird
if you mean the abc strike thru that's what happened to me too.
I tried to make a joke earlier and it fell flat without that
OK, I sent a bug report, no reply, curious if any of you fine folk might know why, when I open conversation tracker, but ONLY from the home page, the "source" and "last check" columns are reversed so as to not match the header.
A small problem, tiny even, like a pebble in the shoe, but who likes those?;-)
Just testing to see if the strikethrough works for me in 'Normal'.
Nope. It showed in the preview box, but disappeared when I hit 'post comment'. Try Again.
Ok, it's showing in preview on the word 'again' in italic......so lets see if it stays or not......
(edit)- Nope, it didn't....this is annoying.
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The strike through worked for me the other day, let's see if it does doesn't now
Edit, I had to do it in XHTML Mode but it did work.
That's because the TInyMCE strikethrough isn't actually a del tag, but instead a span tag with a style set to strikethrough. But if you look in the XHTML tags allowed list, span isn't one of them, so newsvine strips the TinyMCE strikethrough.
Now that sounds like a good discreption of the problem. What is the fix. How does NV stop striping the strikethrough TinyMCE code? Or change the span tag to a del tag.
I've noticed XHTML code in comments around the vine today...
It's been happening rather frequently. I suppose some people are just accustomed to typing out their code as they enter their comment & aren't paying attention to the fact that the default comment window is WYSIWYG now.
I don't suppose we can talk you all in to disabling this stuff til it has been to the exterminators? NewsVine was just barely operational last night and looks like we are headed for more of the same today. - The wailing and gnashing of teeth you keep hearing is your devoted Vine addicts
*oh pleeeease*
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