This seems to be a great step for Newsvine. I hope it encourages better writing.

Hear, hear, James! And gives the wrier more transparency and control over income. Just tried it out, LOOKS very good. just waiting to see if it works. :o)

Thanks for the new info, Tyler!

Hey, 'blog' posted it. :)

Thanks to you for your input, tyler. Thanks also to whichever Newsvine staff member posted the Newsvine Blog article. I saw your first comment and initially thought you had posted the article.

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Ms CYPRAH, thanks for your numerous very nice, helpful, informative comments on this article!

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I've been busy with other things. But I read the links in this article and the other comments on this article through early this morning. I hope to read the details on Google's site and try signing up tomorrow.

Though my Newsvine earnings are much, much, much less than minimum wage per hour on the site and not my primary purpose in being here, they do help motivate one.

And it's nice that the Google ads will apparently likely be better suited to the particular articles they are posted on -- though I expect little if any additional earnings.

Though my Newsvine earnings are much, much, much less than minimum wage per hour on the site and not my primary purpose in being here, they do help motivate one

Hear, hear! I dare not work out my rate per hour. Might make me depressed! :o(

But I sure enjoy the writing and interaction. One day I'll get my just millions! :o)

Ms CYPRAH, thanks for your numerous very nice, helpful, informative comments on this article!

You're so welcome, James. A pleasure. :o)

I submitted my application yesterday morning.

After checking my email yesterday afternoon and finding an email about my preliminary review, I finished the process and installed my AdSense code on Newsvine yesterday afternoon.

This afternoon I checked my email again and found I had received an email late this morning stating they had "disapproved my account" for "Unacceptable site content."

That is ridiculous ..as it is for all my adult content.. Is Pat Robertson running Google?

Is Pat Robertson running Google?

LOL..Priceless!! :o)

On a serious note, that is so awful to be told yes, and yet not really having it working. So frustrating for James.

After reading Tyler's post 7.3, and the comments from those that this new program is working for now (as well as those who have been denied access), that perhaps after all the Power Users are signed up and on board, that maybe they can force Google to allow the rest (or at least some) of the non-power users to participate? If they can not force Google to allow that to happen, then what is the back up plan for the rest of the members? I hope some people do not consider that question to be "mean spirited" nor a "Doom and Gloom" attitude, it is not intended as such, and I hope you can be open minded enough to realize that it is not... Now, I do realize that this site is private and the owners/mgmt have no obligation to communicate with the low level members of the site, I wonder if they realize they need them also? I might ask you to consider, without the low level members would you have or need Power Users? Forget the cake, how about throwing us little people a few crumbs?

oh my goodness, jameseg..If Anyone has PG rated content, it is you.. I suppose we'll have to wait & see what NV Staff find out about the situation.

maybe they can force Google to allow the rest (or at least some) of the non-power users to participate?

That is what the management is trying to do at the moment, crazyrooster. I am sure they want as many people participating a possible. It's more pages and more exposure for the site. So it's not just about 'power users' or 'little people'. It's about everyone.

If they can not force Google to allow that to happen, then what is the back up plan for the rest of the members?

They are the best ones to answer that and they have to hear from Google first. I am sure they will let us know soon.

I hope some people do not consider that question to be "mean spirited" nor a "Doom and Gloom" attitude, it is not intended as such

Your questions are valid ones and no one would criticise them. Personally, I only see doom and gloom when anyone merely criticises the efforts of others, or just whinge for the sake of it, without having anything constructive or helpful to put in their place.

Now, I do realize that this site is private and the owners/mgmt have no obligation to communicate with the low level members of the site

Well I must be pretty low level too, crazyrooster, because they haven't communicated with me! :o)

I think the best thing to do is to not worry too much and wait until management reports. If you are still anxious in a few days, send them an email. But I am sure they are doing what they can because they do appreciate the situation. Keep the faith. :o)

This afternoon I checked my email again and found I had received an email late this morning stating they had "disapproved my account" for "Unacceptable site content."

Same thing happened to me, jamesreg. :( Hopefully this will be rectified soon.

Yes and no, Dowser. As an Adsense user already, I know that Google fixes its own rates of payout, if you are paid directly from them. Currently it is set at $100 (£60 in British money) minimum. Unless Newsvine continues to pay us.

Should be interesting to see what happens, but if you have to go by your Adsense account, then you will be paid from Google. :o)

Well, I just signed up, and it takes a week or so... So, we'll see!

Thanks dear friend!

It took me a month of Sundays to figure out Google tracking. I could learn to stand on my head, eat crackers and whistle Dixie all at once before I do this. Thankfully I make about 8 cents a month. If I ever posted what I write things might improve. :)

Okay, I just signed up and it took me 4 minutes. We'll see how long it takes for the application.

I did not have to give out my banking info, it asked for my name as it appears on my bank info, as well as my address and phone. It is a secure site.

This is part of the message I rec'd after I hit submit:

Your application has been submitted and is being reviewed.
You will receive a message at the email address associated with your application regarding the status of your account within about a week.

Too bad, I had a few things I wanted to sell you.

our ambi, some men deal in three basics only. LOL

"power user" -- otherwise, we must be a 'powerless' user... I resemble that. :(

(just teasing you, Tyler! Gotta take advantage of those humor opportunities when I see them:)

I left answer back on my troll article. :)

So, as I understand it, the ads we have now in our articles are going to stop, and payment from them stops.

If we don't sign-up for Google AdSense, then we don't get any payout for ads.

If we don't sign-up, then do the Google AdSense ads still appear in our article and seeds?

Still don't get what ad we are supposed to "create" for ourselves?

You say we need to provide our phone number?

rottlady on the private thread says we have to provide our bank account info.

I still think I need a much better explanation of what all this is about before I provide any addition info like phone number or bank account info to sign up for something that may or not pay any real significant amount.

Is there a detailed explanation somewhere that describes this whole thing from start to finish?

BTW

Oh, that screenshot is so pretty.

What screenshot?

Bruce-

Is there a detailed explanation somewhere

There is a link in the article that helps explain it, [here is the link again], look down the page at the section marked 'Your Column'. You're not alone, a lot of us have some reading to do to get caught up.

Thanks for the explain rottlady. Beta thread looks like private conv. thread to me, but I guess when Beta is implemented that confusion goes away.

Dubbya R, I also clicked on this link impressive product from the article above, and it's a multipage explanation of Google AdSense, but I'm still not clear about why this is happening and when.

Apparently, the current imbedded ads "Advertise AdChoices" are being replaced by AdSense? When? If we don't "sign up" then what happens, or what doesn't happen?

When I signed up for Newsvine I don't remember having to sign-up for AdChoices separately. I don't recall ever having to provide a phone number or bank account info until now with this AdSense program. That seems a little invasive/intrusive to me. I'm not sure I want to provide any of my banking info, so if I don't what happens?

Somebody, I think, needs to do a much better job explaining this stuff than they are doing. They need to write and publish a Who, What, When, Where and Why basic article to EVERYONE on Newsvine explaining the basics so that everyone starts with the same base info. Did somebody already publish that article? If so, where is it?

Besides that I would NOT have known anything about this except for an off-topic comment in another article by mstanley2265 (BTW - Thanks for that m!) that I stumbled across. How is anyone else going to find out about this?

For a site that is all about communication, the communication about this new AdSense program is not really being presented very well if yo ask me. (I know. Nobody asked me, but maybe they should have asked somebody how to get this info out so it's not as confusing as it is.)

Bruce, if this helps - the only way we will generate any "earnings" in the future is if we do our own advertising. Does that help? We would be responsible for placing our own 'ads'. Currently, we get a calculated portion of the ads that Newsvine displays, but it was a hassle for them, as I understand it, so they are no longer going to do that.

Please correct me, anyone, if that is not correct.

I'm a (post-post-neo-polyamorous) lover...not a mercantile accessory...

I need to memorize that.

I 'really' had to think about which one was better, too... ;)

Please correct me, anyone, if that is not correct.

CL1, I wish that I could help here, but I am like Bruce. Confused, lost, and disappointed. lol

Poof!!! All of a sudden big changes with little to no explanation of the consequences if we follow the instructions or fail to follow the instructions. It is almost like we are being told to "Just do what I say and don't ask questions".

If I am told to contact the staff for answers, well ....

mark, to be candid with you, the current payment program is about as easy as it can get. I didn't have to do anything but sign-up for a Newsvine account and I was automatically in the payment program. I didn't even know I was being paid until the whole "Hurricane Sandy donate your Nv earnings to the American Red Cross" thing came up. Then it was a couple of really simple steps and my earnings were donated.

With this NEW payment program..

1. Nv has not told us WHY it is necessary to change
2. We have not been told when we have to make the change
3. The instructions for setting up the account are confusing and seem to ask us to provide information like our phone number and bank account info, which is intrusive.
4. There is some vague mention of creating our own ads. (What am I going to advertise for?)
5. Someone even said we even have to find our own advertisers now. The current program provides the advertiser automatically, which is so much easier.

I am very sorry to have to tell you mark, but so far there is NOTHING easy about this new AdSense program. It makes very little sense so far. There needs to be an article published stating the who, what, when, where, why and how in plain English before Nv puts out these very vague instructions and disjointed pages of information that confuse even more than they clarify.

You see what I'm saying?

Bruce there has been communication. Here is one by the former CEO:

I've explained how earnings work elsewhere, but a quick synopsis: our ad sales team sells campaigns of all flavors. Some have impression guarantees, some don't. Some are for good CPMs, some aren't. Just all depends on what's available and what the ad market is like. Therefore, the total revenue per month for all of Newsvine varies wildly. To complicate the situation, sometimes we have to partially refund revenue to advertisers or shift their impressions to another month because we underdelivered in a certain section. Ad contracts also often don't actually pay out for a few months after the ads have run. All of this conspires to seriously complicate the way we account for how much revenue we *actually* accrued and later collected in any given month (as opposed to how much we planned to). If we were 99% of publishers, this wouldn't matter a ton because all of it is going to us anyway, but at Newsvine, 90% of it goes to the community and it must be divvied up by pageview share so that's why you see wild fluctuations. Scoop: when the new site emerges out of beta, we are going to retire this system of earnings in favor of letting you run your own AdSense code. That way, we don't need to administer this whole complicated function anymore and you have complete transparency into what your ads are doing for you.

Bruce

I agree

but it didn't ask me for any banking info...I won't give it out...

Same here, MJL. I don't care how secure a site appears, we know that our private info 'is' retained by them, and eventually used in some way, even it means adding us to the global data banks of personal info. ...My earnings, which were small, will be no more. I always donated them, so the charities will be missing out.

Bruce-go to your account settings and then click on Newsvine.com. That has the best explanation. It looks like we are just creating a space for the adds using the settings provided by newsvine. People are saying they are not being asked for bank info so all of googles regular requirements may not apply in this case. So it's really just a matter of wether you want to give them your adress and phone number. I think once you start the process it becomes self evident. That's how it looks to me. I haven't done it yet though.

Bruce- I submitted an application. After approval in about a week I will be notified if accepted. Then I get a code and follow the yellow brick road so to speak. The only thing mentioned about a bank is that they want your name to match the name on your account ( sometimes you use that middle initial, sometimes not). As for creating the ad, they show you how. I've never done anything like this before but it doesn't look to be that difficult. At least I don't have to worry about that right now.

rufusthedog, can you come back (in about a week) and let us know what happens with your account? I for one would be interested in what you discover in the process. Thanks!

Isn't anyone concerned about giving up addresses, phone numbers, account numbers? Google is said to share that information with government data bases, is that correct? Does anyone have information to the contrary?

What happens when people use ad blocking programs? Is this a way for NV to make more money, or just the poster? I can see the need for some ads, but on every single article? What if someone decides to start advertising porn sites? Will those be allowed, or blocked? What happens if someone decides to make their own ad, a truly offensive one that most people would find disgusting? Who decides if the ad stays, or the poster gets banned?

Sounds like there are several questions that need to be answered before this turns into porn central, or at least the wild west of the 1800's.

Since the won't let us join AdSense because of our column content I don't see the porn thing being an issue. They are pretty hard core on no hard core. Or soft or non core.

roadhead, Google does filter their content. That's good!

It is good to know that someone is at least stopping the porn ads from being shown. Is the same policy in effect for stopping someone from making their own personal ad, religious ad, hate filled ad, etc.? I don't want to be inundated with a bunch of personal propaganda, or political or religious ads either. Someone WILL try to post such garbage, and I just want to make sure that someone is minding the ethical and moral side of this instead of just the bottom line.

Hopefully there are adequate consequences for anyone trying to abuse the system. That is more of what I am concerned about.

I see your concern. I was wondering how the actual selection of acceptable ads are presented to us. Maybe there is a list to choose from that they have pre-approved? Maybe those are the only ads we can have displayed? I know I currently see a lot of Adsense ads, and they are often all the same.

What happens if someone decides to make their own ad, a truly offensive one that most people would find disgusting?

That cannot happen because when you 'make' your advert, you are really just making the FRAME for it to go in. Google supplies ALL the adverts to go inside them, based on the agreement with the site owner (Newsvine) as to what adverts are allowed and what aren't. Just like my websites. I block all porn ads or irrelevant adverts.

Furthermore, the adverts tend to be aligned with the topic of the article or seed for maximum effect. So if the seed is about a university, for instance, then it's mainly education adverts that will appear within it.

I see your concern. I was wondering how the actual selection of acceptable ads are presented to us. Maybe there is a list to choose from that they have pre-approved?

No, you cannot choose the adverts. Only website owners get to okay the ones they want. But usually the adverts are very tasteful and mainly on popular subjects and items that they know people would wish to click on. Google controls everything mainly because you are not allowed to click on your own adverts either, except on any necessary occasions like checking etc, and so they can tell whenever a site owner or user is clicking their adverts and if that happens too often your website would be blocked.

In a nutshell, there is nothing for Newsvine users to worry about because they are not the website owner. They are simply using the adverts to generate income. But everything else is maintained and controlled by Google and Newsvine. Best thing to do is to try it with an open mind and review it in a few months to see how you feel about it. But you will find that once your advert goes on your pages there is nothing else at all to do. It will just work for itself and all you have to do is track your earnings, if any. :o)

CL1- If you have ever bought anything on line your phone number and address are out there. Anyone who might be " coming for you" if you know what I mean, can get that very easily. It all comes down to who you want to give your email address to. In this case it was o.k for the stated purpose only.

Bruce - No problem. I'm sure you will hear from a lot of people about this. Many signed up ahead of me. If there is anything about it I don't like, I can always drop it before it's complete.

Thank you Ms Cyprah. You explained it a lot better than what NV did. As long as it has to be an approved ad, even though I am not real fond of all of the ads, I can live with them.

Thank you Ms Cyprah. You explained it a lot better than what NV did.

Thank you, roadhead, that's very kind of you to say. I simply tell it as I know it! :o)

Because I have had to teach myself a lot of things in life, have always been a pioneer, instances like these sit easily with me. I would rather be ahead than behind trying to catch up when everyone else has gone, hence my positive attitude to life, and wish to try anything once - except heights! ha ha

MsC... Ok, Thank you! You cleared up one of my questions. So, 'they' choose the ads - we don't - is what you are saying? We're basicly just giving them the Ok to advertise on our pages?

If so, that helps. I thought we were going to have make choices on which ads we want to see.

Best thing to do is to try it with an open mind and review it in a few months to see how you feel about it.

Good advice. Thank you, again. :)

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rufusthedog --- Good point on our info already in the system resulting from on-line purchases. Where it could make a difference would be for someone that has moved or has a new phone or bank account #. Identity theft was my main concern. Thanks for commenting on it!

I am now signed up waiting for final approval :)

WHOOOO HOOOO

Whooo Hooo, MJL! And I am already earning from the first day, more than I earned on the Vine some days! I am so excited just to see where it leads. At this rate I could be giving Marcus Frind a run for his money!! ha ha - I wish!! :o)

MsC... Ok, Thank you! You cleared up one of my questions.

I am so glad CL1. :o)

We're basicly just giving them the Ok to advertise on our pages?

Yep...you really have to do nothing but watch the revenue build, if you have the articles and traffic!

Yep...I hope I make more than the Vine...10.67 last month went to the Red Cross :)

I hink in some months you might, and in others you won;t as it all depends on traffic and clicks!

Mine looks like this

Instructions

1. Sign up for a Google Analytics account
2. Your Web site's URL is your Newsvine column page (i.e.: lance.newsvine.com)
3. Copy your Google tracking code
4. Paste your Google Analytics code below:

Okay, what is your Google tracking code, and Google Analytics code? Is that something it assigns to you, or you have to provide to it?

The code ...they gave me when I signed up....

This is what I got with Adsense, so for now I can't do anything.

Account Not Active
An AdSense account does not exist for this login, as your application is currently in review. Within a week of your application date, we'll review your application and follow-up with you via email. Once you are approved to join AdSense, you'll be able to log in to your account and get started

so I went in and signed up for Adsense but it didn't ask for any add. So what the hell did I do?

MJL, once your application has been approved, you have to make the advert yourself. Just go into My Ads, click on New Unit, give your advert a name, then choose the size Newsvine suggests. Ignore everything else until you understand it better, then press SAVE. It then gives you a code for the advert which you have to paste in the given box on Newsvine. Then it's up and running.

As I have been a member of Google Adsense for 5 years, I can say a few things about it:

1. Bank accounts and phone numbers are ultra safe. I have never had any trouble with mine, nor have heard any complaints from anyone else, or on the Internet.

2. It really is easy to use, once you get the hang of it, because everything is done by the code you are given.

3. It is fun to track earnings, traffic and progress when you get used to it.

4. You're paid within a week of reaching the required amount, or by the end of that month, but never more than month.

5. I have already earned $2 since I added my Newsvine advert to my list last night, perhaps because of my front page story yesterday. Being an existing adsense member, I did not have to put in a new application to Google, so I literally had my advert up within 15 mins of reading the Newsvine Blog.

Okay, what is your Google tracking code, and Google Analytics code? Is that something it assigns to you, or you have to provide to it?

Bruce, the tracking code enables you to analyse traffic to your column. You get that separately from the Adsense code, and Newsvine gives help on how to get that. It all sounds harder than it actually is. Just follow the Newsvine guidelines for both tracking and Adsense. It will gradually make sense.

If we don't sign-up, then do the Google AdSense ads still appear in our article and seeds?

More than likely, yes, but they will belong to the management, not you. This is your way of generating some revenue with YOUR advert. The main questions will be how much? And how will it compare to what you used to get?

Hope this helps. :o)

Thank you

A pleasure, rottlady! :o)

Question, does it take an actual click on an ad to earn? Or is it from pageviews?

Both. Clicks almost guarantee money, whereas cumulative pageviews gradually add money too, but at a much slower rate, and would have to be significant.

The one thing about adsense is that it builds over time very steadily, and with increased exposure, especially if you are consistent with what you write. Five years ago I earned an average of just $1 per month for my two new personal websites - my first earnings were 3 cents! Today they average $35 per month - rising even faster since last year, as they obviously get more traffic.

With Google, the keywords are slow and steady but they are great to work with because they are rich beyond imagination and so they don;t try to exploit you. Again, $35 might not sound a lot until you multiply it by 12 and see the value in the $420 that results over the year.

Great info Ms. CYPRAH, thanks very much!

MsCyprah, Thank you from me, as well. I was told that the algorithms collect our personal info and that it is given to the government databanks.. I suppose there isn't anyway to verify that?

CL1, please don't believe all you hear!! Fear generates all kin of nonsense sometimes.

That might happen, that might not, but I doubt if it does. I think the only time data is ever released by social media sites is if it is for a national crime like terrorism, and I have not heard of any instance where Google has collaborated with government.

Fear is a terrible way to live in life and I try not to do fear and enjoy every day of life because it is far too precious to worry about what might happen, which is never likely to happen anyway.

I don't know if you have heard of Plenty of Fish, the completely FREE dating site. It is run by a Canadian called Marcus Frind. It has up to a million visitors a day from around the world because it's free. I mention him because it is a known fact that, because of the amazing traffic to his site and people clicking all his Google adverts, he gets $10 million a year from Google. The website was started in his bedroom and is the biggest dating success in the world.

Clearly he couldn't care less whether the government has his data!! :o)

Great info Ms. CYPRAH, thanks very much!

A pleasure, Bruce. Glad to be of some help! :o)

Thank you, again, Ms C... I am a victim of identity theft. So, I'm very cautious.

I can understand that, CL1. Sorry to hear that. But try not to focus on it too much, otherwise it will just keep happening!! It is something to do with the power of our thoughts. We get what we dwell on, unfortunately. Hence why I am very positive.

Ok, saw that and did it but I am waiting for approval but no where to put an add..I guess I will just wait and see, no code either, maybe ya do that after you are approved?

WTH kind of ad do we put in?

Well the 'newbie central' goes into that, and the other resources there probably do as well. I just took my night meds so absorbing new information won't be happening for me until tomorrow morning, I bookmarked it.

I've been on many sites that use it and I'm sure you have too, you just don't really pay attention to where or how the ad is generated when you see it. Now you and I will see them everywhere and say "AHA!"

Yep..it is getting late and I am tired...to tired to think :)

MJL-3

WTH kind of ad do we put in?

They walk you through it.When we get to the part about the size of the ad space, type of edge etc. we will use what newsvine provided in the screenshot above. It can also be found after clicking "account" and then " newsvine.com"

Ok, thanks

Yep Par, I got that this morning too. Reply didn't take a week though.

Were those the first communications you got from Google? I'm asking, because I have one that says "We have completed a partial review of your application, but you may begin implementing AdSense code on your site. " and it was almost instantaneous to my putting in an application (it was dated yesterday, though I didn't check until just now.)

SRO, Just curious, do you know if the personal info that is collected by the major sites is added to the global databanks? It was long ago, but there was an article that stated as such, saying that even though the site will honor a request to not be used in their advertising, they will still accrue information and add it to the system. Do you know anything about that?

Were those the first communications you got from Google?

Yep. I received the same message that Par did.

Do you know anything about that?

Google has a privacy policy. If you don't believe that, you can always fall back on this:

2For there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; neither hid, that shall not be known. 3Therefore whatever you have spoken in darkness shall be heard in the light; and that which you have spoken in the ear in closets shall be proclaimed on the housetops. --Luke 12

neenie... I put it in last night received it like Sir Richard Owen the same day...

Sir Richard Owen .. First application and they go in stages from what I understand... ..I did mine last evening and I forget when I did it but mine was 8:42pm..

Seeing I was turned down.. I'd like to be able to sleep comfortably knowing that they delete my information totally.. I do not need some hack getting the info... with Google contacting them directly (and I tried for a while) to find where I can contact them..no success.. if I am not going to have it.. I do not want them with my information for some Marketing firm and dozens of spams...

I was also thinking IF I wasn't able to have it.. then those with only pure thoughts and no adult content in all their articles and seeds are the only ones that will.. For the 3 + years I've been on Newsvine.. I haven't run across anyone that hasn't posted at least one adult content post...I guess I am too 'raw' for Google (of all companies)..

Yeah.. their Content Policy..

Well.. Pure of thought and actions certainly isn't me.. lol

Well.. Pure of thought and actions certainly isn't me.. lol

I'm trying to think of someone on my friends list that could get in...this may take awhile.

Sadly, I will no longer be able to use Newsvine as my main source of income.

SRO, Thanks for the reply. I have read their privacy statements in the past, which state how they will use information on their site, or if there is any selling of information involved, for legal purposes.

I was just curious if you had information on the data collection process. My understanding is that it feeds not only all of the personal search programs (where people can pay for information), but it goes into a program used by intelligence for profiling...the global system. I'm always curious if anyone has info to the contrary. Thanks, again. Maybe Mark will look in again and comment.

Par4TheCourse -- #11.6 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:58 AM PST

I put it in last night received it like Sir Richard Owen the same day...

I wonder what kind of criteria they're using to come up with a decision that fast. It must be some kind of rudimentary keyword search on the page you submit with the application.

I don't think AdSense is compatible with news sites. Fox and CNN both use AdChoices, CBS and ABC do their own advertising. There's very few names I've even heard of on AdSense's Success page.

I don't see anything good coming out of this.

neenie1991 -- #11.7 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:02 PM PST

I'm trying to think of someone on my friends list that could get in...this may take awhile.

I have to wonder, if AdSense is such a great thing, why Newsvine hasn't already adopted it for their own adds.

CL1 -- #11.8 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:17 PM PST

I was just curious if you had information on the data collection process.

If you put something out on the Internet, it becomes written in stone, it's never erased, and someone can find it, if they want it bad enough. Read up on the FBI's Carnivore, and one of it's replacements, NarusInsight.

Do a Google search of your real name if you want to find out what Google is already doing with your info.

Sir Richard Owen

I'd like to know how you passed the first stage..lol.. as soon as you put up something that is 'adult' you could be dropped.. This doesn't leave much room except tp keep your nose clean.. I do know I couldn't handle that.. like being watched over by the Pope.

I don't see anything good coming out of this.

I do not either

Seems a strange letter you got, Par4. I would take it up with Tyler.

I wonder what kind of criteria they're using to come up with a decision that fast. It must be some kind of rudimentary keyword search on the page you submit with the application.

It must be. It took just over 4 hours for them to generate the rejection notice.

I have to wonder, if AdSense is such a great thing, why Newsvine hasn't already adopted it for their own adds.

Yes, logic, simplicity and revenue. Go figure.

I don't see anything good coming out of this.

I will carry the motion. Another sign that NV as we knew it may be going in the crapper?

Ms CYPRAH

I can only imagine how many others will get the same one.. We put up articles - odd news - many of us that have to deal with adult content at times.. we warn them if it isn't self explanatory in the title.. Newsvine isn't for kiddies.. I am not ticked off about it.. I would be if it were my living I was talking about..

Have you tried it ?

I have to wonder, if AdSense is such a great thing, why Newsvine hasn't already adopted it for their own adds.

They have been doing it gradually because Google adverts are easy to identify. I noticed them from earlier this year. Then a few months ago they multiplied dramatically when small ads started appearing between the comments. So Newsvine has been using Google ads for quite a while now. This is the next logical step, I suppose, to encourage members to use it too.

I don't see anything good coming out of this.

That's just fear and ignorance taking centre stage. Unless one has a crystal ball to look into the future, no one can see what the outcome will be. But the more positive we are about life and the more open minded, is the more we allow miracles to happen! :o)

Like anything, change is always scary. The best thing to do when we feel afraid is to take it one step at a time and just keep reviewing those steps. It means we won't be left behind like fossils while life races past us. The key is to make change work for us, not cower from it or allow it to overwhelm us. You could be in for quite a pleasant surprise by just seeing what's possible!

November is the last month Newsviners will receive the traditional 90% of ad revenue generated by their column.

Newsviners must cash out - or donate - their earnings by Monday, December 31st.

It seems by this.. (missed it the first time around) that we will no longer be receiving a share via Newsvine.. is that what this looks like ?

Mine was in the mail this morning and says I can go ahead and set things up but the ad space will be blank until I'm fully approved.To start that process I have to put in my code. When I am fully reviwed and approved, I will begin to see actual adds.

Once you implement the code you start the process of shaping your ad space and such which I'm not into doing right now. So, later tonight maybe. I'm up most of the night anyway.

Have you tried it ?

Par4, see comments #9.5 and #9.8 for my experience with Adsense. I have nothing but glowing reports about it because it is self maintaining. Apart from the initial details supplied, everything takes care of itself, and there will be nothing further for you to do except track your revenue.

I really can't explain why you should get such a letter. I am an existing adsense client and don't have to apply again, hence I am unable to compare my experience to yours in order to advise you, sorry. I would just keep applying because some of those letters are automatically generated and they can create errors where none exist.

It seems by this.. (missed it the first time around) that we will no longer be receiving a share via Newsvine.. is that what this looks like?

Yes, it looks like it. They want to stop paying from December, it seems. this way, the money is automatically generated by Google and has nothing to do with Newsvine.

By the way, delighted to be your friend!! :o)

Thanks Ms CYPRAH.. friend.. ;) although you haven't turned blue yet.. lol

I am confused .. more than normal.. lol

I put my front page url for Newsvine correct? par4thecourse.newsvine.com

Correct?

I am suppose to create an Ad ? Or do I just pick one from Google to place on it ? I do not get this..

I put my front page url for Newsvine correct? par4thecourse.newsvine.com

Correct?

Yep...:o)

I am suppose to create an Ad ?

Yes...All you have to do is NAME your advert and pick your size, then save it and it will give you a code to put in your box on Newsvine which will contain your personal ID number as a Google client.

Or do I just pick one from Google to place on it ? I do not get this..

No, you can't pick adverts. You can only select the box size (300x250) for it! Google provides the adverts once you have dropped the code into Newsvine on your Adsense page.

What do you name your add?

SRO,11.9, ..Thanks for your thoughts. I sure I could reproduce the info I read, for you all here, about data collection for the global system. I remember it was from a private group that I was in that has now been deleted.

What do you name your add?

I just named mine Cyprah1, MJL. Because I have other adsense adverts to do with my personal websites. That name tells me it is a Newsvine advert, and the very first one, in case I am asked to make anymore in the future. And even though it's just over a day old, that advert has already earned more in those 36 hours than the others earned in that time, mainly due to the high traffic I have on the Vine, and the increased clicks. So it will be exciting to track daily, especially if one does have other adverts running elsewhere, just to see the difference.

FOR ANYONE GETTING A GOOGLE WARNING LETTER:

It just crossed my mind that one way around that could be to get the Google account via another website that uses Adsense as well, and there are tons of them out there. Then just use Newsvine as one of the URL Channels on the account, instead of the main account. That should certainly work without further hassle.

Ms C, so if you have a blog URL somewhere else, use it instead of the NV URL? is that correct?

Yep! You don't need Newsvine at all to get a code. You just need to label it on the Adsense page so you know it's connected to Newsvine.

The actual ID you get from Google as an Adsense client is the most important thing in Adsense. Once you put that ID in any advert, which is done by Google anyway, the minute you create a new advert, you could place it on Timbuctu and it will track your earnings. Newsvine is just a location to adsense, nothing else.

Well, Killfile needs to try that one than. :)

I resubmitted it... did not get a response yet.. maybe that might be a good thing...

IF this does not work this time.. I will try what Ms CYPRAH posted..

I have a suggestion for the Newsvine Staff

Would it not of been better if Newsvine as a whole just pass the 'code' to all members that have been on here for a while..and the criteria being post/responses/seeds..be given the code to put in, , instead of having to go through a process? Just curious..

Just recv'd my response.. same thing - adult content.. so I checked out why..

I wish I could write directly to them.. I would tell them they do not know an adult site when they see one...

• Pornographic images
• Pornographic cartoons or anime (hentai)
• Lewd or provocative images
• Adult/sexual dating sites
• Mail Order Brides / Escort sites
• Sheer/See-Through
• Crude or indecent language, including adult stories
• Sexual tips or advice
• Adult comment spam
• Adult search results
• Ads or links to external sites containing adult content
• Sexual aids, devices, and enhancers such as: vibrators, dildos, lubes, sex games, inflatable toys, penis and breast enlargements, and sex instructional videos
• Note: Sites that are selling sexual drugs such as Viagra will fall under the drug content policy, NOT adult content

Would it not of been better if Newsvine as a whole just pass the 'code' to all members that have been on here for a while.

Par4The Course, I don't think that's possible because everyone needs an individual code so Newsvine wouldn't be able to get a code for each member. And if they did pass one code to every member it just wouldn't work. Only the person whose name the code is in (Newsvine) would get the benefit!

Anyway, see if what I said in #11.2 might help. It is such a bother, i know, but worth persevering.

Anyway, see if what I said in #11.2 might help. It is such a bother, i know, but worth persevering.

#11.23 ;)

Yes, I read that.. seems doable .. but I do not know of any other site.. I am not that 'Worldly'.. lol

but I do not know of any other site.. I am not that 'Worldly'.. lol

Ha ha. Easy...Here are links with suggested sites. Otherwise Google search "adsense revenue sharing sites" to find more information.

List of 100% Adsense Revenue Sharing Sites AND this one which lists more sites and the actual share of the revenue for users. Very useful.

Even if you don't write for those sites, just join one to use their website address and see what happens.

You might also find this useful too: Why Google Adsense is a Perfect Way for Writers to Make Money

This site also explains the Dos and Don'ts of Adsense very well

Do give some feedback if anything works so that others might benefit from the info!

Happy Hunting!! :o)

Thanks Ms CYPRAH! I will give it the old college try...

It is still difficult for me to understand why the members (especially the long time members) should be forced to "game" the system to make it work? Why would the owners of the site create a new version of the vine, that requires dishonesty on the part of the members to make their new site work? Think for just a moment, if a large number of members are unable to "qualify" or refuse to stoop (perhaps submitt is a better word?) to what Google's desires, who receives the benefits of this action? More people that can't receive payment for the fruit of their labors means more money in the pockets of the owner/mgmt of the site? Hmmmm, is money really the root of all evil? I wonder how much longer that my words of dissent will be allowed by the powers that be? How long till I am banned for being openly opposed to this new direction the site is going? Why should we sit idly by and allow some members to be thrown into what is being called a "pig" trough? Why would we as members allow ourselves to be segregated into "secular nations" where like minded people congregate without much chance for true discussion? Some members seem to like being led around and having a master group control their thought process, but some of us do not! While not being perfect, the Classic Vine, did at least allow most members the opportunity to be on equal footing with each other, with some exceptions for a few elite members.

It is still difficult for me to understand why the members (especially the long time members) should be forced to "game" the system to make it work? Why would the owners of the site create a new version of the vine, that requires dishonesty on the part of the members to make their new site work?

Sorry, I don't understand this comment. Where is the 'dishonesty' and the 'gaming'?. Have I missed something here? Please explain.

While not being perfect, the Classic Vine, did at least allow most members the opportunity to be on equal footing with each other, with some exceptions for a few elite members.

Everyone will STILL be on equal footing, they just have to register for adsense. But nothing will be different except where the payment comes from.

More people that can't receive payment for the fruit of their labors means more money in the pockets of the owner/mgmt of the site?

Any Google problem has nothing to do with the management. It's just an unforeseen problem that has been highlighted because of the variety of stories on Newsvine. I think the Vine could be of more help in smoothing the path, but this is really between Google and anyone wishing to use their adsense.

Why should we sit idly by and allow some members to be thrown into what is being called a "pig" trough? Why would we as members allow ourselves to be segregated into "secular nations" where like minded people congregate without much chance for true discussion?

I do not agree with that either, but I can see the logic of it, because it simply means less policing for the Newsvine management and less man hours chasing those who do not mean well. It really means less hassle overall for them.

Par4TheCourse -- #11.10 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:12 PM PST

I'd like to know how you passed the first stage..lol..

The other shoe just dropped...

Hello,

As mentioned in our welcome email, we conduct a second review of your
AdSense application once AdSense code is placed on your site(s). As a
result of this review, we have disapproved your account for the following
violation(s):

Issues:
- Adult content
- Copyrighted material

This is a news site, and there is going to be "Adult content" (mostly violence) in the news.

I think I've exercised due diligence in applying Fair Use doctrine on any copyrighted material I might have used.

So, effective 31 December 2012, if Newsvine hasn't come up with a better plan, I'm outta here.

Sir Richard Owen

This is a news site, and there is going to be "Adult content" (mostly violence) in the news.

70% of mine has to do with crime .. Between the FBI, ICE, HSI, etc..

So in affect.. if you were to go to another site and channel it to Newsvine - You might be told to get rid of the bad stuff or you'll be cancelled.. So Ms CYPRAH's idea may not work ..

What do you think of #11.23 ?

I was just about to try it...

You're right .. it is asinine .. that on an Adult Site - News - Crime - Reports from News Articles.. That is what we do.. that they denied you.. I can see them denying me to a point.. (cuss a lot) .. but Damn! That is ridiculous.. Are we dealing with an Abby of Nuns?

Par4TheCourse -- #11.37 - Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:04 AM PST

What do you think of #11.23 ?

I think when Google's web crawler catches up with Ms CYPRAH, she's not going to be happy.

I think you might be right.. they give ya 3 days.. then one is history..

... I will give it a try.. nothing ventured nothing gained/lossed

Ms CYPRAH:

FOR ANYONE GETTING A GOOGLE WARNING LETTER:

It just crossed my mind that one way around that could be to get the Google account via another website that uses Adsense as well, and there are tons of them out there. Then just use Newsvine as one of the URL Channels on the account, instead of the main account. That should certainly work without further hassle.

I'll let your own words tell what I meant when I stated that a member should not have to "Game the System" to participate on NV! Perhaps you think that this is an honest way to abuse the system that Google has set up, however I would think that it is not, granted that is my simple opinion and I am sure we will not agree.

While not being perfect, the Classic Vine, did at least allow most members the opportunity to be on equal footing with each other, with some exceptions for a few elite members.

Everyone will STILL be on equal footing, they just have to register for adsense. But nothing will be different except where the payment comes from.

Those that are denied by Google will not be allowed to participate in the rewards from their labor!

Any Google problem has nothing to do with the management.

So you contend that it was not a management decision to change to Google? I suppose Google did a hostile takeover of the site? Be real, the owners knew full well the benefits of changing to Google and I am confident that the decision was based on additional income to them, not to the common members! Hmmm, did the vulture capitalist's acquire NV?

From the list that you posted @11.28 Par, it looks like anyone that may post comments on the legalization of MJ, or even discussing the waste that is the war on drugs would probably also be rejected. Making certain subjects completely taboo to even discuss does nothing more than censor the net.

How can any policies be changed, if even discussing them could lead to you losing your ability to be paid for your efforts? Adult content and drug prohibition to start, then what next? Will religion or politics also be banned? Sounds more like a reward vs punishment situation, with someone else making all the rules as to what is allowed.

Crazyrooster, no one is 'gaming the system' in this instance. All I was trying to do was to help with the application process, because those letters from Google are all automatically sent. No human is dealing with an application, which leaves a lot of room for errors in the application process. Hence why I suggested another way round getting the application through.

There is nothing worse than doomers and gloomers who have no positive solution for anything yet delight in being harbingers of fear and doom.

So you contend that it was not a management decision to change to Google?

Not at all. What I am saying is that the management still has to abide by how Google conduct its business. But they should give more support and advice to those who need it, not just leave them floundering.

Perhaps you think that this is an honest way to abuse the system that Google has set up

Yes it is, because once you have a Google account, you can have any number of websites on it using Adsense. So the information I gave is quite appropriate. I am simply trying to help because I agree that no one should lose out for their efforts because of the changeover. But people are also free to ignore my advice if they wish. Please don't take out your frustrations on me.

Sir Richard:

I think when Google's web crawler catches up with Ms CYPRAH, she's not going to be happy.

I have been on adsense for 5 years. Google has had enough time to crawl through my account, don't you think? I don't do adult content of any kind, except for the odd seed, so I have nothing to fear from Google crawling. However, as I fully understand how Google works, hence my advice.

It is clear that you guys do not know how adsense works, especially if you have never done it. Yet the only thing that will prove its value to you is to TRY it. No amount of pronouncing from the pulpit in a negative way is going to help matters for anyone.

Ms CYPRAH:

There is nothing worse than doomers and gloomers who have no positive solution for anything yet delight in being harbingers of fear and doom.

While I normally accept most of what you say as being based on good logic, in this case I do not! I have stated my position on this many times, and have not changed nor am I being a harbinger of fear and doom, but instead pointing out the error that has been made in not giving thought about the common user (member) of NV and the effect this would have upon their use of the site! Perhaps is I was using this site as a source of income I would take a different stance? Perhaps you look forward to the destruction of what many of the less popular users of this site have grown accustomed to seeing and using and are unable to see that beyond that forest you are in the middle of is a tree or two! But that is your choice to paint a rosy picture over the briar's and thorns, but for those of us who are entangled in the thorns it is a different picture we are seeing!

Hence why I suggested another way round getting the application through.

You can use pretty words to describe what you are suggesting, but when it is all said and done, you are simply outlining a way to game the system to avoid the mechanisms that Google put in place to control the use of their program! Some might say it is cheating the system?

The bottom line is simply, those that stand to gain from this new and improved NV/Face book social (not news) site are singing the praises! Those of us who are not in the favored group simply have the choice of laying down and taking it (dry?) or leaving! Some of you might soon realize with out we peasants your kingdoms will not survive!

crazyrooster1946

Although you are like a year older than I am I will still try to remember that you are my elder and be respectful of that... which many on here know I tend to go on the 'wild side' (to put it pleasantly)..

Ms. CYPRAH is being helpful to those of us who have spent almost (what it seems) almost every waking hour on here conversing with many people those good.. and those not so good.. and from what it seems I tend to be one of the less traveled on Newsvine.

Although I have been less traveled on here I do share a hell of a lot of articles.. and I try to respond when I find that I do know a little about a topic.. and not to brag I am up there in comments as well.

Ms. CYPRAH is being helpful .. there is no detriment what so ever to her helping, and if it isn't successful the attempt at least she came up with an idea that some will try .. and it is only a 50-50 chance of success.. So instead of getting on one's high horse about it and making a mountain out of a mole hill.. maybe letting what you are trying to explain settle in its own little corner, and leave her alone..

I normally do not try to argue another person's battle.. but in this case she has done nothing to invite this upon herself.. and Ms.CYPRAH I apologize to you if I stepped in where for sure you do not need anyone stating as much in your defense.

Crazyrooster1946.. I mean no offense.. just she has a right to express as much as you do.. but I feel what you are expressing is unwarranted.

Cheers

Perhaps you look forward to the destruction of what many of the less popular users of this site have grown accustomed to seeing and using and are unable to see that beyond that forest you are in the middle of is a tree or two!

What a meanspirited comment to make. You must really have issues!

Do you have a need to feel self righteous, or something, that you would be regarding fellow Viners in such a negative way, while you say such smug comments? If I didn't care about others enjoying what I have enjoyed for 5 years I would not be spending time on this thread trying to help. Like many of the others who obviously have no problems with it, I would be off.

If you wish to derogate other Viners and lump them into one uncaring mass to boost your ego, feel free. But, as I can only speak for myself, and I will NOT act as a fodder for your frustrations, I will now stop commenting and ask anyone who would like to ask me any question or my advice to contact me direct.

I try not to associate with negativity because it only brings us down. It does nothing to build, uplift or enhance anyone.

Enjoy your day.

I normally do not try to argue another person's battle.. but in this case she has done nothing to invite this upon herself.. and Ms.CYPRAH I apologize to you if I stepped in where for sure you do not need anyone stating as much in your defense.

No need to apologise, Par4TheCourse. Thanks for your care.

I guess Crazyrooster just needs a scapegoat to make himself feel better and he's found one! Pretty sad really, if all he can do is whinge and whine at the unfair system, yet not offer one ounce of positive comment to help anyone!

MsCYPRAH and Par4thecourse:

While I do not consider what I said to be a personal attack on either of you, I will apologize if you think it was. Now because I have stated previously that I will not be here when the New Vine comes on line and because it is your considered opinion that I am a detriment to your position here in attempting to help other people, I will de-track and allow you to do so without my being in your way! Trust me, I do respect both of you folks, and have enjoyed reading your articles and seeds in the past and will continue to for at least a short time longer. Have a great afternoon and evening!

PS: Par, the 1946 is not my date of birth, it was a year of importance in my life.....

Well.. I tried Ms.CYPRAH (hubpages.com).. and this is what I received.. lol

The last paragraph is an understatement .. as far as reaching them.. It's all good.. and I appreciate your suggestion and your help.. For now I am going to just let it go.. Now to go and delete my acct on hubpages.com .. Not as easy as Newsvine to get around...

--

Thank you for your interest in Google AdSense. After reviewing your
application, our specialists have found that it does not meet our program
criteria. Therefore, we are unable to accept you into our program.

We have certain policies in place that we believe will help ensure the
effectiveness of Google ads for our publishers as well as for our
advertisers. We review all publishers, and we reserve the right to decline
any application. As we grow, we may find that we are able to expand our
program to more web publishers with a wider variety of web content.

Please note that we may not be able to respond to inquiries regarding the
specific reasons for our decision. Thank you for your understanding.

Sincerely,

The Google AdSense Team

Ms CYPRAH -- #11.42 - Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:17 AM PST

I have been on adsense for 5 years.

Maybe somewhere else, but your Newsvine column has only been on AdSense for about 2 days.

Google has had enough time to crawl through my account, don't you think?

No. It's a weekend, and new account applications probably have priority.

However, as I fully understand how Google works, hence my advice.

The only example I have available to verify that you know what you are talking about, is your personal homepage, and it's not a good endorsement. There's no AdSense advertisement on that page, but there's an AdChoices ad close to the bottom.

Yet the only thing that will prove its value to you is to TRY it.

Well, you see, we have tried it, and they rejected us. Otherwise, we wouldn't be here complaining.

There's no AdSense advertisement on that page, but there's an AdChoices ad close to the bottom.

Yes there is. That is a Google advert, in case you didn't know. I choose the size of adverts I want for my pages. The whole site is full of Google adverts, if you bothered to look. You also missed the Google Search box in the middle of the page, all part of Adsense. As I said, you clearly know very little about it. :o(

Well, you see, we have tried it, and they rejected us.

Then you should take it up with the management. Perhaps enough people complaining will lead to another solution.

Well.. I tried Ms.CYPRAH (hubpages.com).. and this is what I received.. lol

Sorry to hear that, Par4. It could be that it won't give you an ID until it sees the content of your writing. Well, at least you tried. This is certainly something for the management because you shouldn't lose out just because they are changing the system. Let me know how you get on because I do know how frustrated you must feel.

I appreciate your help... Thank You!

I just found two pages that might be of help:

The Google support page itself

And this page which I don;t know much about.

Good luck again!!

I appreciate your help... Thank You!

No bother. Honest. I guess it's because I know the benefits of Google, hence why I would like everyone to discover it too. Very safe, reliable and secure.

Thanks .. I saved the links.. I will try them later.. thanks again..

That is a Google advert, in case you didn't know.

Then why is the AdChoices icon on it? You need to show me something that says Ads by Google, or AdSense, or AdWords.

The whole site is full of Google adverts,

Widgets are not advertisements. The Google Search box is a widget.

Then you should take it up with the management.

Then you need to quit running interference by shouting the praises of a program that few of the rest of us are allowed to participate in.

Remember comment #8.10 ? I am in contact with management, and it's two-way.

You need to show me something that says Ads by Google, or AdSense, or AdWords.

I don't need to show you anything, because you are the one who is challenging what I said. It is all there if you care to see it. That website has 45 pages and every one of them has THREE Google Adsense adverts on it, if you care to look - adverts of ALL sizes, both images and text, because Adsense and my own coaching adverts, are the only ones I allow on my sites at the moment.

You obviously don't know that Adchoices, searches, Ads by Google, etc, are all varying elements of Adsense. They all come under the same banner, hence why they all start off with 'Ad'.They are simply CHOICES within the Adsense programme which a publisher is free to make, depending on the content and style of his/her website.

I am in contact with management, and it's two-way.

If you are, why aren't you helping everyone to sort the problem out, instead of attacking what I am trying to do to help?

I don't need to show you anything, because you are the one who is challenging what I said.

You can't show me anything, because you don't know anything. If you knew anything about AdSense, you could have told me that all I need to do is click the AdChoices icon on the ad, and it would take me to the ad provider's control page. Instead, I have to learn this stuff as I go along.

You obviously don't know that Adchoices, searches, Ads by Google, etc, are all varying elements of Adsense.

AdChoices is a product of Digital Advertising Alliance (DAA). Google may be a member of DAA, but it doesn't own AdChoices.

why aren't you helping everyone to sort the problem out,

I became aware of, and started troubleshooting the problem @ #11.2 - Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:24 AM PST. There are six steps to troubleshooting, and they take time. It appears, also, that I am not the only one in communication with management, which is who is going to have to find a solution to this.

Frankly, I don't think AdSense is compatible with Newsvine. Their "family safe" demand regarding content means that only never-is-heard-a-discouraging-word-from-their-keyboard kinds of people are going to qualify to benefit from it.

That, and they keep putting ads on columns that I visit, asking me to sign a petition to outlaw abortion...

Just to clarify something:

http://choice.microsoft.com/Default.aspx?l=en-us

Thanks for that, Rufus. I only deal with Google so always thought they came from Google!

So, all of this just leaves us all me in total confusion .. Does this have anything to do with it?

http://www.seroundtable.com/google-adsense-ad-choices-13520.html

The ads I see are AdChoices on Newsvine.. I haven't seen anything to do with AdSense

-

I cannot believe I am entering a 2nd day of this nonsense.... That's it add adNonSense

Thanks for the link, Par4. Now it is making sense to me because I have only ever dealt with Google.

That's it add adNonSense

LOL..:o)..I'm sure it will be all sorted soon. Hang in there!

Hang in there!

I will try.. but by then my neck will be about 4 to 5 feet long

You are funny...:o)

It usually comes right in the end.

It usually comes right in the end.

You will pardon me if I do not respond to that in detail ? ;)

Laughter I find helps manage my addiction in being serious..

For those of you who try to go around the Google automated system after being denied the use of their Ad Sense system, please look at this page: https://www.google.com/adsense/v3/signup?sourceid=asos&subid=ww-ww-et-HC_entry&medium=link&utm_content=nsufv1 if you go to the bottom of that page you will see this little statement:

Please choose your AdSense sign in credentials carefully as you will not be able to change this information later.

Now, perhaps my short circuiting internal computer located between my ears is not processing this correctly, but it seem to say that once you enter the information, you can't just try to go around it by entering different information (they have processes in place to prevent going around their security)? If I am incorrect on this, I feel sure someone will tell me. Now perhaps the owners/mgmt of NV will have enough clout to force or entice Google to change their rules to fit the needs of this community, if they can great, if not then perhaps they need to back up and try something that will work for "all" members of the community and not for just a select few. Perhaps we can all agree that all members of NV should be treated equally and with the same rights and privileges, or am I asking for too much? Is this site now like the political parties in this country, where all that matters is what the individual can gain and the other members are of little interest, what happened to the community that so many of you claim to enjoy? Does community only matter when it benefits you?

To those of you who think my words only speak of "Doom and Gloom", you are simply assuming something that is not completely true! I enjoy NV and spend probably too much time on here already, and I am not against change, especially change that is well thought out and causes a minimum of damage to an existing environment such as we have had here on this site for so long. I take the position that fixing the problems is great, but jumping in and trying to build a "new" site from the top down is not a realistic or feasible way of correcting a problem. It might be said simply, when the solution to the problem becomes more difficult to fix than the original problem was, you have gone down the wrong road looking for the solution! Now after all that has been said, the bottom line is still that the owners/mgmt of this site will make the decisions as to what they want to do, regardless of what any single one of us wishes. It has been my opinion for many years that if you have a problem involving a number of people, the solution is normally much easier to come to when you do not treat the majority of the people directly or indirectly involved like mushrooms! Communication from the owners/mgmt for this site has been extremely poor, and it would appear to be more of a covert operation that not. I would suggest that if they wish to make this transition work in a smoother way, communicate with the members and quit locking them out of the process.

Thanks again for your response...

Thanks again for your response...

Ditto..and very prompt too!

Tyler, :)

Excellent post Killfile. Two thumbs way up!

Killfile, I have a question, that has no ill intentions or undertones; I'm just curious. Why does their opinion have to matter, if it's not about the money? I don't know how things will go for any of us later, but right now, you are a well respected and appreciated contributor in "classic" NV, and it would be a shame to see you leave as a participant.

Why does their opinion have to matter, if it's not about the money?

Money isn't going to influence my decision to write but it is a factor in where I choose to do so.

Particularly before my kids were born I spent a lot -- and I mean a LOT -- of time on Newsvine. The articles I publish, particularly those heavy on citations, required hours -- sometimes days -- of research, synthesis, drafting, redrafting, revising, and polishing. On top of that layer comments, responses, moderation and pretty soon we're talking about a major time commitment.

I want meaningful discussion, I want a community, but I also want some reasonable return on the time that I put into this effort. Newsvine's willingness to turn its advertising over to Google means that I can choose between doing all of that for nothing or looking elsewhere.

Let me put this another way: as of today, I'm looking for a new home. That doesn't mean that I'm moving right this minute, but prior to this decision I wasn't even considering it. If tomorrow I find an up-and-coming community that offers me some modicum of discussion, revenue sharing, and interactivity then that's that.

I'd rather write content for Newsvine for free than not write at all but I'd rather be compensated -- even poorly -- for my efforts than not at all and I'm not prepared to sacrifice the integrity of what it is that I write in order to appease Newsvine's new revenue overseers.

I would point out that when viners like Killfile exit the vine, as has been happening with other quality high profile writers, the tone and quality of Newsvine as a whole will suffer. It has been happening rather consistently over the last two years in my opinion and is gaining speed. If NBCNews wants a free-for-all blog with two moderators that can't possibly do anything but try to tame the most egregious offenders, then they are on their way.

Look at the RAV wall. How many are left? I understand people come and go but I still find it telling.

I've noticed that too, neenie, and it has made an impact. It was also truly a loss when some of the high-caliber writers got themselves banned. A shock, in some cases, and I miss their contributions.

Killfile, I fully agree that anyone that puts the time and effort into their presentations to the degree that you described, deserves compensation. I recall iarnuocon saying he often spent a week on compilation and drafts before he was ready to post.

I thought your 12.3 brought up earnings as a side issue, but was not your 'primary' issue. I thought you were mostly chiding Adsense's rules on what was acceptable, and how those rules really don't make sense for a global news information site... to which I agree.

I never knew exactly what kind of payouts the prolific authors were getting when I first signed-on to NV, but I assumed they must have been decent for some to put out one or two masterpieces a week. I had the fortune to read Claus (was that his name?) for a few months before he left. I was in shock. He put out, quite often, elaborate articles two or three times a week! They weren't just a lot of talking and words, but were articulate and scholarly. Not that all articles should be judged by those standards; I'm just pointing out the time and effort required to compose and seque such meaningful composition. ...Yes, you all should be well compensated for that level of consistent contribution. And, I would expect anyone to move on to a site that appreciates it enough, to reward it.

Killfile, boldly stated and I admire you for that.

I am not here for the money, the thrill of writing, or for fame. I am here to learn, to share (not teach), the camaraderie, and personal growth. Probably the reasons Newsvine is tweaking the system here and there to discourage people like me from staying.

The straw that is breaking my back is the AdSense requirement to provide them with personal information I don't want to even tell the Internal Revenue Service. No security system is 100% secure and I have already reached my tolerance limit for Internet exposure.

At the moment, my future with Newsvine is uncertain.

Al-316, we don't have to sign-up for AdSense, so you could still use the site the same as you did in the past. I doubt I'll sign-up, either, for the same reason. My earnings were always donated, anyway.

I think they have an algorithm as to the turn down aspect. It's nothing personal.

Some reasons for turning down? They most likely have a cap on the number of, for example, political content posters to have their advertisements. After all why would they need Everyone for advertising when the main object of advertising is...targeting an audience yet keeping the payout of the cost ...to a profit margin?

Or they may not have enough advertisers to widget all the requests that they get to do advertisers for them. Not only that advertisers have set amounts budgeted for advertising.. the advertisers aren't going to pay an unlimited amount for advertising.

There were quiet a few Why was I turned down? questions in their forum. Not that I read any joy of getting accepted from them either.

NV should have asked if they have an algorithm & a cap on the number of advertisers in a set forum. adSense is Not going to accept... every one.... of the NV members that post in the NV forum.... is the conclusion that I have came too.

They could have set the algorithm cap to the number of posters based on several aspects....high posting, medium posting, low posting. The smallest number accepted would be in the high posting area & more in the medium with a lot more in the low posting because they would have to pay out the least amount to the low posters. :)

They turned me down ..saying my Landline phone number was...invalid..I've had it for three years..I tried entering my phone number several ways....each time the same message came up, Not a valid telephone number...it is ...A flimsy excuse at best but it fits the algorthrim method to a T because the perimeters set for the software to turn down... would be...a landline phone for 5 years or longer. :)

Just saying. :)

adSense is Not going to accept... every one.... of the NV members that post in the NV forum.... is the conclusion that I have came too.

Thanks, m. Interesting, if that's how it works. A cap on the number of advertisers in a particular genre makes a lot of sense, too. I'm sorry to read that they hassled you over your phone number. How crazy! A land line would seem more secure than a cell number, too. Yes, that was a flimsy excuse. I can see why you would be skeptical. There just simply is no way I am going to put my address, phone number, and above all, bank account number on a social website. It would be nice if there was a way NV could run it through their system with just our email addy, as before.

CL1, it was the only logical conclusion that I could come up with based on the number of turn downs in the adSense forums and here also.

If a high profile poster NV member was already an adSense member prior to this change over, all good for them. Than the but..comes in...several are being turned down that are high profile posters. Killfile, Par and though I'm not a high profile, I've seeded a lot in 4 years & wrote quite a bit, tho it's poetry for the most part.

We'll have to wait & see how many more of the high profile posters that weren't pre adSense members get turned down. If more do, than it is definitely based on an algorithm.

We'll have to wait & see how many more of the high profile posters that weren't pre adSense members get turned down. If more do, than it is definitely based on an algorithm

Yes, and it should then be taken up with Newsvine management because no one who is already a member of the Vine should have difficulty, if the system is to work efficiently.

Ms Cyprah, it's business, nothing personal. The NV has no control over another business's decisions. They probably haven't got the advertising budget money to continue keeping all the members on the payroll so to speak, since the split with MSN, & I would think, is what is driving the switch. They offered this as an alternative, probably not knowing that adSense would not accept all members. Even if they did, what could they do about it? It was either something or nothing. So, we'll just have to ride it out. :)

Personally, it doesn't matter to me as much as it would someone like Killfile, & I can well understand his view on it. I sincerely hope he doesn't stop with his articles though, they are well thought out, sourced & very informative. It is an unreasonable rejection on the part of adSense to turn down someone of his caliber of posting. Especially in the coming years when politics & political events are going to be, in my opinion, Very interesting in the US. :)

m., 12.10... I had some questions about my gmail account a long time ago, and contacted them back then. They confirmed to me, at that time, that cookies and algorithms (same here, too, I believe) were causing some of the things that were happening on my account. I would think the same for the rest of their site apps.

well, that definitely lets me out. I have my security set to not accept a lot of cookies stuff & tracking stuff & I don't freely give way & open my computer to just anyone. :)

They offered this as an alternative, probably not knowing that adSense would not accept all members.

Yes, mstanley, I think that's exactly the case, which is why all the people having problems with the application should message Newsvine staff. Great comment.

Oh, I'm sure that Tyler will read this come Monday & see all the comments. :)

To Newsvine's credit in this, I've already been contacted by the 'Vine staff and we're exploring ways to preserve journalistic integrity while still working with Google.

Obviously, if that's possible, it would represent the best possible solution for all parties involved.

Well after reading AdSense content guidelines I would be curious to see who gets approved. I wonder if it's based on articles or comments or both.

Sites with Google ads may not include or link to:

• Pornography, adult or mature content
• Violent content
• Content related to racial intolerance or advocacy against any individual, group or organisation
• Excessive profanity
• Hacking/cracking content
• Gambling or casino-related content
• Illicit drugs and drug paraphernalia content
• Sales of beer or hard alcohol
• Sales of tobacco or tobacco-related products
• Sales of prescription drugs
• Sales of weapons or ammunition (e.g. firearms, firearm components, fighting knives, stun guns)
• Sales of products that are replicas or imitations of designer or other goods
• Sales or distribution of coursework or student essays
• Content regarding programs which compensate users for clicking ads or offers, performing searches, surfing websites or reading emails
• Any other content that is illegal, promotes illegal activity or infringes on the legal rights of others

Publishers are also not permitted to place AdSense code on pages with content primarily in an unsupported language. Source

Tyler

Why am I getting notices that comments removed...with nothing on it and they are deleted without being read a day into the future?

There are more sophisticated ways with split screens or thumbnails or whatever but this is how I did it.

Who is? But lets be honest.. every little bit helps...

Indeed. Absolutely. I am certainly not here for the money, when I look at what I have earned in the five years as a member of Newsvine! If can better that on Adsense, then whey hey!

Perhaps having been a a client already, I haven't seen any of those Google warning letters about content, yet I am sure some of my seeds must have had some adult content. Interesting.

The bottom line is that NO ONE has to register for adsense. They just wouldn't get any income back, while Newsvine would still put adverts on the pages. So might as well join in. For me the best course in life, especially when something could be beneficial, is to try it and see, and this is no different. I shall review it again in three months and write about my experience. For now, I am happy. :o)

Is this just for articles, or for seeds also....I'm reading all of this, and I never realized I was so computer illiterate.

Naw...you're just Adsense switchover illiterate like the rest of us.

Is this just for articles, or for seeds also

It's for everything....whatever is on your column pages!

Then what you need to do, rufus, is to create a new URL CHANNEL. That will act almost like a new website and you can track it that way. Just go into My Ads and you will see the label for the URL channel and follow the instructions. Hope that helps.

Yes, it all has to be done on your Google account page. You only deal with Newsvine when you have your code ready to insert in the box.

Okay, hate to be a pest but I see my ads in AdSence. So if I do that there it affects Google Analytics? Just making sure before I do anything.

But if you can see your advert in Adsense, then all you need is to get the code for that ad and put it on to Newsvine. Nothing else. And you get the code by going back into the ad and pressing Get Code or Save, whichever you can see. However, whatever you do won't affect your Google Analytics. That's an entirely separate issue for tracking traffic! :o)

Right. It's analytics I'm having the problem with. AdSense is fine so I may just blow off Analytics. It isn't that important.

Thanks very much for your help.

What problem are you having?

I had no problem with AdSense. Everything went well. I messed up on Google Analytics. I think it may have the wrong Url or something. It didn't give me a tracking code so it isn't going to get any information from newsvine. I can't change anything though because It's still an account. A non -working account. I can't get a do over without closing the account and then I will lose AdSense. Then I can't reapply with the same email address. Can we say " unforgiving"? So I will just do without Google Analytics. But the Adsense part of it went quite well. I am just waiting now for the ads to show up in about a week.

I can't change anything though because It's still an account.

Yes, you might be able to, Rufus. You can put as many trackers on it as you like, so try making a new tracker for your Newsvine URL and see if it works. Go into "Admin' on your main GA page, and then 'Add a New Account'. You should be able to re-do the Newsvine page again, I think, to get a new code.

Thank you. At some point I in the near future I will do that.

I just got around to trying to add a new tracker account in Analytics ( which I messed up the first time) and they do not accept the URL. It appears to me that they are not accepting anymore accounts from us at this time. We will have to wait until we are notified again I guess. So don't worry about it.I've learned more about this than I ever cared to know. :)

rufusdog,

I did my Analytics just the other day, and they did accept the URL.

Do not put the http://www.

rufusdog.newsvine.com

if that's how you have it.

Par,

I just tried that and it didnt work either. :(

Sent an email to staff about it yesterday, but havent heard anything yet.

Thank you Par4 I will try that.

I tried it today, Rufus, but it wouldn't accept it.

Ok, I just spent the last little while trying to sign up for Ad (non) Sense! I tried the URL as shown on here, did not work, attempted all sorts of combinations, and finally made it to the point they asked for name, rank, and serial number! Now all I have to wait for is the rejection letter?

Now what worked was http://xxxxxxxx.com, it would not allow the newsvine to be put in there. This will probably not work, but it is farther than I had made it the last few times! What fun? :-)

It's been 3 + years since I signed up for it.. and a lot has gone under the grey hair since then...lol

It did not take Google long to send me an e-mail of rejection! They could not review the web(blog) site I submitted. Hmmm, they won't let me link to NV, they won't take my personal blog, I feel so rejected! Boo Hoo, I am truely shocked, and dismayed that they don't want to advertise on my site! There goes my chance to make the big bucks, seeding articles of world wide interest! Oh woe is me, now what shall I do? Hmmmm, perhaps nothing is the best move to make for now, I am sure that some time with in the next several centuries that TPTB will issue a directive on our next move and that will resolve this issue, right?

crazyrooster1946

Well don't be too heartbroken. Once you get in there you will find that nearly every soft key you click is inviting you to sign up for more of their products. It gets in the way of the navigation. AdSense not only offers ads for our columns, it is a giant ad for Google .

rufusthedog, Actually I'm not heart broken at all, just amused at the hoops that we have to jump thru in order to participate in this new and exciting NV adventure!

Site Ownership
You must have access to edit the HTML source code of the website you submit for AdSense. If you submit a site you don't own (for example, www.google.com), you won't be able to place the AdSense code on the site and your application will not be approved.

I suppose this might be the reason that the bulk of us are not being approved? We don't own NV and don't have access to the source code? Hmmmm, what a deal!

Under Construction/Difficult Site Navigation
In order to be approved, your website must be launched and contain enough textual content for our specialists to evaluate. Websites that are under construction, don't load, or have non-functioning links, will not be approved. Please ensure that the URL on your application is entered correctly.

The reason that I was unable to use my own web site, not enough text activity! This shoots down the theory that you can fool the system by making a new web site to fool their computer!

While I am finding this whole process rather amusing, I can understand why some members of NV are finding it annoying! This is almost like dealing with the Federal Government, one step forward and three steps backward, you fill out a form to request permission to fill out another form that requests that you are not required to fill out forms. :-)

And if you try to get rid of the accounts that don't work, you have to remove the code you were given for that account from your page and I'll bet if you do, and I can't imagine how you would, it would probably pull the plug on the good account too.

On the bright side, it sure is keeping me off the streets and out of other trouble.

No worries, Mr. Rooster, 16.17... We still like you and won't reject you! Besides, we (the people) at the "henhouse" need a way to distract the wolf guarding it. Cock a doodle dos work in other areas, why not here?!! The "wolf" must be the reason for this lack of non (ad)sense! Clearly, he wants the government to have the money instead of us!! (..j/k.. :)

One positive note however, perhaps this new face book wanna be (New NV) will out perform the old face book!

Yes, i am hoping so too. It doesn't look too bad in certain aspects.

So if by NOTwillingly pimping my writing to adsense, the ads disappear from my articles...thaa works jus fine fer me.

I don't think that will be case, Time Lord. I think you will still have adverts on your page, but placed by management!

Thanks for the smile! :o)

I find them to be flashingly obnoxious.

I actually see almost zero ads because I have them blocked. Your example of the flashing BS is the exact reason I block them. A small unobtrusive ad is one thing, an ad that takes the same amount of space as the posts @18 and18.1 combined, is far from unobtrusive.

Put some of the garish colors or flashing garbage that seems to be used by far too many ads, I will block them every single time. When an ad DOES pop through my blocker, it will not get me to do much more than enforce my opinion of never using that product. Bigger is not always better, especially when it is trying to be offensive to get attention.

roadhead: My laptop will not display most of the ad's that come from Google, I have script writing blocked and most of them wish to enter script to place cookies and etc on my computer and my experience is too many viruses and etc are invited in when script is allowed to be written to my computer. I would suspect that would prevent me from using Google for advertising because of that alone.

Miss Cyprus...It's always a pleasure to see you pop in. You seem to be very much in favor of this financial opportunity. Maybe if I had the 'following' that you've built up, ah might consider it...then again, naaaaaaaaaaw. Don't get me wrong, I would love to have the opportunity to have my writing earn some c$ha-c$hing...but not like thaa anyway. Something about it jus makes me feel...'cheap'. Like ah'm pimping myself off, all for that extra buck. Know what ah mean?

I'm sure there will be folks who choose to sign up w/adsense thinking, 'if those ads are going to be there anyway...I might as well make more money in the process.' Naaaaw, if it works for folks...by all means, I think they should go for it. It jus doesn't sit well wit me.

"I don't think that will be case, Time Lord. I think you will still have adverts on your page, but placed by management!"

That may very well be the case. Key phrase..."if I had MY way". Clearly, thas not the case.

The ads attached to our articles have been there for quite awhile now. I can remember when they weren't there. The ads are already part of the landscape, so to speak. Ah don't like it...but oh well. It's a revenue stream...I git it. It is entirely within the realm of possibilities that NV gets revenue based on how many NV members they can sign up or a % of revenue generated by the NV subscribers. It don't matter. I'm sure somewhere, this new relationship with adsence becomes yet another revenue stream. But then again...I git it and don't begrudge that.

The presence or absence of the ads don't keep me from doing what I love to do...but I didn't choose to have them, and I don't choose for them to have me to use as their billboard.

The presence or absence of the ads don't keep me from doing what I love to do...

Exactly how I feel, Time Lord. I am at the age where I do things purely because I like them and not because of any other factor. I already have all the money I need in my life. It is nice to please myself now after a lifetime of pleasing others and it feels magical! :o)

but I didn't choose to have them, and I don't choose for them to have me to use as their billboard.

You are entitled to that opinion, whatever works for you, which is what makes us all unique. Good luck in whatever choices you make!

It's always a pleasure to see you pop in.

Thank you. Very kind of you to say!! :o)

Ha ha..:o)

I just made 98 cents...whoo hooo!

how can I donate if it automatically deposits ???

I don't think you can donate via Google, like you do on the Vine. You have to accept the money, once you reach the paying out amount, then distribute it how you wish. :o)

Newsvine's setup was better - leaving the amount in a 'holding' environment, waiting for approval on how it should be distributed allowed users to 'think about it' for a minute. With Google automatically depositing to a user's bank account - I doubt few are going to take the time to redistribute it elsewhere...imo.

That's very true. It will just become part of one's income.

With Google automatically depositing to a user's bank account - I doubt few are going to take the time to redistribute it elsewhere...imo.

The above quote from CL1 in comment #19.4 is probably correct.

But some people who wanted to donate their Newsvine earnings (or a portion of them) to charities other than the one's on Newsvine's list likely already did "redistribute it elsewhere."

And some people make a commitment to donate a certain amount of all their income to charities, regardless of the income source. It would be nice if more of us did.

Maybe this change will offer the incentive to some Newsviners to find and donate to new charities that especially interest them, either locally, nationally, or internationally.

I think they should notify you that you have funds and you can either hit pay me or you can donate it.

Give us a choice.

I don't make enough to worry about it but they are not going to deposit anything anywhere because they don't have a bank account from me.

Rufus, if you do get, shame you cannot give it to charity rather than just leave it to Google who has more than enough already!!

They haven't asked for one.

Jameseg... True, many do donate to other charities not listed on NV. I just always thought that with the way that NV handled it, it probably meant that 'more' was going to charity than would have otherwise.

Those that have payroll deduction going to designated charities of their choice - after seeing a consistent return from AdSense - could up their payroll deductions accordingly, if that was important to them.

Not everyone has a payroll deduction available, and not everyone has a 'Bank' that they use. I wonder what is done in those cases?

I just always thought that with the way that NV handled it, it probably meant that 'more' was going to charity than would have otherwise.

I agree, CL1.

Not everyone has a payroll deduction available, and not everyone has a 'Bank' that they use. I wonder what is done in those cases?

People can still donate cash to a charity or get a money order.

People can still donate cash to a charity or get a money order.

Good point, jameseg.

I have to admit that if I couldn't use payroll deduction or something easy like what NV had set up, I wouldn't take the time to donate.

I could open a different account just for this but wait - you have to fill out a w-9 for taxes and give a social security number. Too intrusive and too much exposure of personal information.

Yes, I agree about the intrusiveness. I guess, being in the UK, I see a different perspective, and only my bank account was requested.

DOG...jer fawnny. Ah likes you...(inna homophobic sorta platonic way).

"I will just forego the payout."

Ah'll jus post-pone mine. Ah'm curious to see jus how many pennies I can accumulate during ma tenure here. Ya see, the management an ah have agreed ta keep da payout increments in simple ta add, single and double digit numbers. Keep it simple'n keep it in da family...thas ma moddo.

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...you seem like a 'straight up' person...write on, voted up

I guess I messed up somehow, they didn't ask me for that. :-)

Dowser go into your Adsense account and click on payments. They will tell you they need tax information. There is with-holding. Under " method of payment" you will be asked to select a payment method. There is only one, direct to your bank account so they then ask for your account number.

I know, I didn't go into depth on this at first until I got red banners on the earnings page telling me there could be no payout until I provided further information. I think the earnings will still show for you to see. But you can't get paid without the info. How would they pay you with out it? There is no Paypal or anything like that.

Thanks, rufus!

Maybe tomorrow, if my head quits hurting, I'll be able to get into this and figure it out. :-)

I hate to see the changes but I guess with all things we must change or drop out.

That's the sad fact, FRR. I guess we all have to move with the times and the Internet is now an integral part of our lives.

I just applied to AdSense and am waiting to see if I'm approved. I'll go from there.

Good luck with that! :o)

Sent in via Report a Bug, too.

Spiffie, I got one too. I retyped my URL and resubmitted it. " fightingforrights.com" is all it needed. I had included .newsvine.com and got an email rejecting it as a not valid URL. Now I'm waiting again but it hasn't been rejected this time.

fightingforrights.com isn't your Newsvine URL and the Google JavaScript won't be able to correctly resolve that URL to your Newsvine account.

You are right, Spiffie. AdSense accepted it and I just realized it was wrong when I googled it. It rejected the correct one first which is what I used just now when I googled my correct URL and found my articles. Now it says I can't change it because my application is under review. I tried through my NV account link and got the same message. I tried through the email they sent me. I've been to their help section and posted a question. It says my account is under review. So I guess I'm stuck in ????

Any suggestions?

Al, for some reason it will not recognize Newsvine in the URL. I just went to their troubleshooting sight and can't even cancel my application until I hear from them. I know they will reject it because of the URL I used that does not exist. I can't post a question to them because I don't have an account.

FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS: It just dawned on me that the problem may possible be that we have not received valid directions and the "period" after the name used should in fact be the symbol "@" instead? Just a thought, may be wrong, but still a valid maybe?

No. An @ isn't valid for a domain. This doesn't appear to be something solvable from our end. We need to let Newsvine work with Google.

Thanks, Spiffie. That's what I was thinking. Hopefully they can work it out.

I have not come close to using Beta, yet. That might be an issue, too. There could be a recognition code that gets embedded someplace

I don't really know what I am talking about. Just thinking out loud.

Thanks for your thoughts, guys.

I have not come close to using Beta, yet. That might be an issue, too. There could be a recognition code that gets embedded someplace

No Al, the two are not connected! :o)

the two are not connected!

Whew! That would be my next request..Thanks for answering that..

Beta testing at my age I have found, that I tend not to perform well without a pill..

Well, with or without a pill, I haven't enjoyed this beta testing either because I prefer the simple to use and easy to navigate 'Classic' version best! :o(

Though, in fairness, I do like some aspects of the beta one.

IF it works leave it alone .. that's my motto

I will hate to lose the "Classic".. especially cutting down to 15 groups.. which miraculously turns into Nations..

I will hate to lose the "Classic".. especially cutting down to 15 groups.. which miraculously turns into Nations..

Yes. Hear, hear! Maybe I'll gradually get used to it but I'm not looking forward to the change!!

If I, the insane rooster that I am, wake up one morning and decide I am tired of the same old chicken house that I have used for many years and hatch a scheme in my itty bitty head to build a bigger and better chicken house, but really have no idea on how to do it. My favorite chickens are all thrilled that I am going to build them a new house, but those silly chickens that are happy in the old house fuss a little bit, but allow construction to start. I first build a good roof because I know that we will need protection from the rain, all is good, I now have a beautiful new roof, next I decide I'll build the walls, but can't figure out how to build these walls under the roof, but my favorite chickens come to my rescue, they hold the roof up over their heads while the walls are built around them! I now have a beautiful roof being held up by four nice walls, but there is one small problem, I forgot to make a door or even windows. Now I do have a problem, my favorite chickens as well as those that I don't even like are trapped inside my beautiful new chicken house! How can I solve this problem I ask? Suddenly it dawns on me, I know how to solve the problem, I will just set fire to the chicken house and then I won't need a door or windows! Now all I need to do is find a new flock of chickens to put in the burnt remains of the chicken house!!

crazyrooster1946, I hope your analogy is off base.

But for some inexplicable reason I feel like yelling "Bingo".

Al,

I hope your analogy is off base.

While I don't hold much hope that the powers that are in charge will suddenly realize that by treating 95% of the members of this private site like mushrooms and refusing to even acknowledge the concerns that we have about the direction the site is going, actually realize the potential damage that could be created. I still hold out a little hope that they will awaken and realize that their lack of communication and what would seem to be disdain they hold for the "non-power" users of this site could possibly be corrected if they would come out of their ivory towers and actually communicate with the masses! Perhaps as someone has said, the growth of the blog environment on the Internetmeans that they will have an unlimited supply of new people to replace the present members and it will be basically nothing but a minor blip on the screen as the long time members leave and are replaced with better and more qualified new members to blog here on the New and Improved Vine....

crazyrooster1946, I keep looking for reassurance that Beta will be an improvement over Classic. But, I have run out of places to look. I think I will make one. :)

I have no suggestions, Effie. Just my condolences.

A couple of us are in the same boat as you are. At least we have plenty of food and water until we get rescued.

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Oh dear, I fell foul of Great Google Adsense today!!

Its machine didn't like one of my articles posted two days ago, as their computers are obviously programmed to identify certain words, and this is what happened:

1. The whole Cyprah/Newsvine domain blocked immediately.

2. All monies earned on any articles from two days ago stopped.

3. Email sent to me which actually QUOTED the offending article (wow!)

4. I was told I could appeal but would need to tell them if I had done anything to correct the violation as well, or why it was an unfair decision.

5. Was told that it could take up to 72 hours to reinstate when it would be seen by a 'specialist'.

Never had this in the 5 years I've been on Adsense. Talk about Big Brother! Just wow!

I have appealed and will see how long it takes to sort out. :o(

Just thought this might be useful to everyone.

Just got this automated response from them:

Hello,

Thanks for contacting Google AdSense. This an automated reply to let you know that we've received your appeal request.

It looks like you'd like to appeal the disabling of mscyprah.newsvine.com. While we're unable to respond personally to this particular message, please rest assured that your request has been submitted for appeal and one of our policy specialists will be reviewing it soon.

Please note that while we will take your comments into consideration when evaluating your website, there is no guarantee that ad serving will be re-enabled.

We appreciate your patience and understanding.

Sincerely,

The Google AdSense Team

Ms Cyprah, If it's not too personal to ask, could you tell us what the actual offending words were that caused Google Adsense to choke on? Thanks!

It seems to be one word in particular, Bruce - f**k!

I saw this video narrating a fun explanation of how the word is used in different contexts, and thought I would post it for some humour, and its popularity proved me right.

It also showed me that Google is obviously more interested in fighting porn and sexual issues than anything else, considering the wide variety of articles and seeds i have on my column (over 8,000 in all) yet that article is the only one they have jumped on. Fascinating.

Aha! Yep. That would do it. I would guess their auto-word-search-predator program would zero right in on that. The problem being, in blogs like this, that is going to seriously limit their potential customer base. Even if you, as the author/seeder, were to never use that word in any of your articles, there's just no way you can filter it or it's asterisked variants from the comments to your articles.

I'd venture to say that if this is a sticking point for Google Adsense, then they are probably not going to derive much revenue from Newsvine sources. That, and the six of the 7 Dirty Words George Carlin said you can never say on television will most likely disqualify the majority of Newsviners from being Google Adsensers.

That strikes me as a bit of a censorship issue in a way. I can understand why they would want to keep Google content "family friendly" but to impose such strict standards on those who are simply posting their ads seems to be a be bit of ...

... Google Nonsense, rather than Google Adsense, but certainly not good sense!

Thanks for the info Ms, Cyprah! That explains a lot!!!

Gawd - Ms Cyprah... you bad girl you.. tsk tsk tsk.. lol

I would have to delete most of the seeds/articles I have and strict very strict writings

Even the Bible has words in it that would not be favored by Google...

That strikes me as a bit of a censorship issue in a way.

In a BIG way for me! Google has gone the way of every big monolith. Starts off by welcoming everyone regardless, because it wants their support and traffic. Then when it is fully established it becomes dictatorial, exclusive and oppressive to prove its power. Ah well.

. Google Nonsense, rather than Google Adsense, but certainly not good sense!

Got it one, Bruce!!

Gawd - Ms Cyprah... you bad girl you.. tsk tsk tsk.. lol

You are too funny, Par4!! I bet you thought I was innocent too! ha ha

You are too funny, Par4!! I bet you thought I was innocent too! ha ha

I am shocked .. and here I thought you had a pair of two goodie shoes...

Oooops!! :o)

In fact, we were all enjoying ourselves too much! Using the word with gay abandon!! That's probably why Google thought it would wipe the smile off our faces!

Ms CYPRAH: While I am disappointed that you were bounced from Google, it is not a big surprise. I have a question, that you will probably be able to answer, if you will? Does Google have a news blog that is similar to NV? If they do, does it seem as if their content is censured? I really hope you can/will answer this question for me, as I am forced to use my stupid/smart phone today and will not be near a wi-fi location to use my lap top for most of the day! Thanks in advance....

Crazyrooster, I only know of Google+ which is meant to be like Facebook, and where people also post articles and seeds. I am a member of that too but have never posted anything with a suspect word on it, so can't give an opinion in that way. Sorry.

Ms CYPRAH, I sure hope Tyler read your #25.3.

This could be a major stumbling block using Google.

Yep, Al...especially if one doesn't know the keywords that would be sensitive to the Google bots!

As long as they reinstate is promptly, I don;t mind too much. But it's just the overall censorship that bothers me, especially on an adult site like Newsvine.

I would have to delete over 34,500 seeds/articles to pass.. and that may take me over 3 years just to do that.. Then I would have to swear an oath against any vulgarity or adult articles.. and start posting articles from the CYO or boys and girls club.. and the Boyscouts & Girlscouts, Cub Scouts and Brownies to pass their litmus test...

Sounds like it, Par4TheCourse! :o(

Mx CYPRAH, Thanks for the reply, it is a major pain not being able to freely search for answers while being forced to use my phone rather than my laptop. The next question is probably a little more difficult. Is the change over here on this site being driven by NBC or did it come from the NV mgmt? Did NBC willingly assume ownership of the Vine when the MSNBC split came about, or was it just a part that they were more or less stuck with because of the split? I realize that any answers given would be some what subjective because none of us probably have any direct knowledge of the terms of the transaction, but your gut feeling guess would be ok...

Please forgive me if I have more spelling and grammar errors than normal, big fingers, small screen, small brain, and etc! :-)

Crazyrooster, I wouldn't presume to answer anything relating to Newsvine or NBC and their admin process as I am not privy to that! You would probably have to ask the people closer to the Vine management!

However, my opinion on what they do is rather simple, and it has guided the way I live my life: They are a business and, much as we might not like it, we have to accept whatever they decide to do, while making our voices heard because they are in a very competitive environment. OR, we move on to other places which feel more comfortable and self enhancing.

Ms CYPRAH, Would it be a fair guess that with you defensively written response that you thought I was trying to some how get you to say something bad about NV? I assure you, that was not my intent, and when I asked it did not enter into my mind it would be received as such. The reason I asked was because if Google has a news blog that in some ways competes with NV, and if NV does not have the full support of NBC, can we expect that the problems with AD SENSE, can/will be easily resolved? As far as having to accept what the owners/mgmt of this site decide you are absolutely correct we have only a few choices, basically accept their choices, refuse to accept their choices and leave, or try to persuade them to re-think their choices. Thank you for reminding me of that however. I have however made the choice to attempt to persuade them to re-consider the direction that they are taking this site (as futile as that attempt is likely to be), and you have chosen to simply accept what is changing gracefully, that is your choice and I do respect that. I have chosen to continue to cling to a small amount of hope that the site that we all have enjoyed for so long can be retained.....

Ms CYPRAH, Would it be a fair guess that with you defensively written response that you thought I was trying to some how get you to say something bad about NV?

No, that wouldn't be a fair guess, Crazyrooster. That would be making assumptions about me based on what you might be thinking. Please do not read anything into what I've said, as I tend to say exactly what I mean without codes or fear. I know nothing of Newsvine management and have no wish to pretend that I do, though I can see the point you are trying to make about Google vs Newsvine

If you Google "AdSense complaints" you'll see that AdSense is a nightmare. They've been screwing people left-and-right for years, and the only people that get things resolved are either "Big Names" or people who can get their governments involved.

Thanks Sir Richard Owen... that settles it for me..

Thanks Sir Richard Owen... that settles it for me..

Yep.

I think if they won't allow us to be paid for the ads that are on our unsavory articles we should be able to tell them to keep the ads the blank off our articles!

FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS:

we should be able to tell them to keep the ads the blank off our articles!

Good idea, but one small problem, they would probably tell you to keep your article off their page! No matter what, as has been pointed out, this is still their site, and we only are allowed to use it with their permission, they can remove anyone of us at any time, they could even shut down the site without giving us any notice, they have the upper hand and we actually have little or no control over what happens here. Now we can make a little noise and hope they hear our words and perhaps actually listen to them, but even that is under their direct control.....

crazyrooster, I know that. Adsense follows you everywhere you are logged in and posting including your FaceBook page once you are accepted. That's why they try to place ads that relate to what you are posting. I understand we all can be banned from posting and our accounts closed at any time by the owners of any site we are on including newsvine. Most of us have tried to abide by the rules and some have been suspended lately for no apparent reason other than the trolls that show up and flag your comment because they don't like what you are saying after they have made every effort to bait you into losing your cool.

FIGHTING FOR RIGHTS: I suspect that if I went to the Chinese Restaurant and they gave me a fortune cookie, it would read this way, "He who wanders desert resisting change will soon receive many cactus thorns in response". Perhaps I need to go to the store and buy a giant pair of tweezers? I know full well that my pleas to the owners/mgmt of this site to reconsider the changes are falling on deaf ears, but I can only hope they might accidentally insert a battery into the hearing aid....

Ditto.

I know full well that my pleas to the owners/mgmt of this site to reconsider the changes are falling on deaf ears, but I can only hope they might accidentally insert a battery into the hearing aid....

It's always the batteries isn't it? We can still tug on Superman's cape.

UPDATE

Got this email from Google this morning:

Hello,

Thank you for making the requested changes to your site in order to comply with our policies. After thoroughly reviewing mscyprah.newsvine.com, we have now re-enabled ad serving to this site.

Because ad serving to your site was temporarily disabled, you many notice a delay of up to 48 hours or more before ads begin appearing on your site again. We appreciate your patience and cooperation.

Sincerely,

The Google AdSense Team

Well, credit to them, they did say 72 hours and it is less than that. So I guess I have that to be thankful for. But, by the time everything is working properly again, I would have lost 5 days of the small amount I already get.

Personally, I have stayed with Newsvine because of its members. There are some wonderful people on the Vine I have come to know and appreciate in the past 5 years. The money helps over a year, but not in a month, being so small for my efforts. But if I am going to get repeated hassle from Google at this rate every time I post the 'wrong' article, I will begin to question why I am exposing myself to such stress.

For now, it is sorted, and I am thankful. But the haphazard way this thing has been done for members just doesn't feel right somehow. They really don't deserve the cavalier switch ti Google without proper support or explanations.

For now, it is sorted, and I am thankful. But the haphazard way this thing has been done for members just doesn't feel right somehow.

It's about cashing in on the revenue stream that used to be directed to members. Whether the Ad-Sense revenue ever approaches (or exceeds) the revenue stream from the old model is something we will wait and have to see.

I am not even sure I want to bother setting up Google Ad-Sense. Google is all up in my business as it is, you know?

I'm here because I am a politics and news junkie - keyword being "junkie."

Ms CYPRAH

It seems to be part of the techie code that it is better to deal with individual problems as they emerge than give warnings and waste a lot of time on speculation about what might occur. Don't forget ,we did sign the agreement disclosing what you might call their censorship policy. I just think that policy should apply only to what you write or seed after that date. Google could inform us that after a review of our content we might have a problem going forward just as a heads up but give people the chance to be in compliance instead of rejecting them out of hand but hey, that might require human judgment and we can't have that. Automatic systems are cheaper and more efficient.

Whether the Ad-Sense revenue ever approaches (or exceeds) the revenue stream from the old model is something we will wait and have to see.

I can answer that already, for me, personally, Gulliver. In the 12 days it has been going since I set it up, it has consistently, every day, given at least three times as much as I got from Newsvine per day, so I really cannot complain. If it weren't for that glitch I had with them, it would have been really good to compare a similar two week period by the end of this month. At least the increasing traffic to my articles is now beginning to pay off in a better way. So i cannot complain too much.

I suppose I'll get the chance to compare properly that next month, so am sticking with it - for now.

Google could inform us that after a review of our content we might have a problem going forward just as a heads up but give people the chance to be in compliance instead of rejecting them out of hand but hey, that might require human judgment and we can't have that. Automatic systems are cheaper and more efficient.

I wish I could vote this up 10 times, rufus, because that's exactly what is happening!! So sad though.

I can answer that already, for me, personally, Gulliver. In the 12 days it has been going since I set it up, it has consistently, every day, given at least three times as much as I got from Newsvine per day, so I really cannot complain.

Ok. I'll stop complaining.

Thank you, Newsvine!!!!

It has been almost 2 weeks since the 16th when this seed was posted with no further updates since the 19th.. has anyone heard from someone in Newsvine?

Feel like a mushroom?