Cynic by nature, but I appreciate the feedback I've seen so far here...so do we get to keep our friends list? *hopeful gremlin blink*

Lance, how do I get to that setting again? control F12?

It's plain old just F12, Dowser, no other keys req.

Mine says that it's in IE9 Compatibility View! Never thunk to look after I skipped over 8 (on advice of IT degreed son, tho you still have to d/l the stoopid thing b/c ea subsequent browser works off the files of the previous version; no wonder my space bar is in the danger zone & I need to burp!) & went to 9. Whyfore? What makes that happen? Izzat b/c this pc came w/ IE7? What happens if I change it to plain old IE9 view? Will I blow @!$%# up? Will I blow NV up? :P

What's the reason for this apparently auto-setting, & if NV techies know it exists, why didn't they plan for it? Ppl should not have to make adjustments to their pc in order to utilize software. It's the other way round. Techies should plan in advance for stuff that may prove incompatible & tweak the software if need be, not us, jeez.

Sorry, dear, but pressing F12 on my computer turns off my wifi... I have to hit either control or function first, otherwise, my computer goes dead in the water... (I have a compaq laptop.)

and I couldn't agree more. My computer is only 2 years old, WHY am I having to make all these adjustments to stay on a site I've been on for 4 years???

This whole thing is pie-in-the-sky dream world for techies. But many many of us are not techies. We have normal sized screens, and we have the ability to use software, not design or make changes to it. I want them to purchase a used computer, about the age of mine, and see how Beta works on it. Because then, maybe they'll fix all this garbage.

That sounds like a perfectly acceptable, reasonable rant to me Dowser! (Let's see if I can add to this) ~~ Now I'm no techie by anyones stretch of the imagination, mine is a Toshiba laptop ~ I just switch it on and it gets on with it with the minimal fuss. I have no desire to fool around with the software, so NV need to get this half-baked beta act together, and had better not be planning on stressing us out with unconscionable BS!

I had a Compaq laptop and it kept over heating and melting a chip off. I would have to take it back, and because it's done by machine, another charge. Like Mighty, I went to Toshiba also, and have had no problems with it, plus I bought a cooling pad for it just in case. I hope things straighten out for you Dowser.

thanks, dear Dare! Me, too! :-)

I've been very happy with mine, as a whole! :-)

Sorry, dear, but pressing F12 on my computer turns off my wifi... I have to hit either control or function first, otherwise, my computer goes dead in the water... (I have a compaq laptop.)

Doesn't turn off my wi-fi LOL And F12 does it on the desktop mutt here. I call it that b/c I have an HP Pavilion w/ a Hanns monitor & a Microsoft keyboard & mouse atm. HP makes Compaqs. Weird.

Did you ever figure it out, Dowser?

I 'had' a Toshiba laptop, but it did keep overheating. The next was HP and I've never had a problem with it.

Nope. I sent in a request for help, and never got a reply, either. So pffftt on it. :-)

Is this the beta site?

No, A.Leon.

It's just a blog, but can be seen here and in Beta.

Leon

go here has a picture of what the a group front page look like and you can ask questions

What I meant MJL-3 is ...is this what the posts are going to look like on the new site? No Blue for friends, No tracker for comments that friends are posting on at any given time on articles I haven't read, of the tracker that keeps track of the conversations that I have commented on? Thats what I have been hearing from other members. Those are the features I like the best.

I don't like the idea of the nation thing. I will give it a try but I don't like being caged up.

Leon, a lot of us feel that way, but it's a decision made at the corporate level long before it was ever unveiled to us mere users I'm sure.

Personally, I Shall Rally The Troops in Lobbying for the Retention of a Fine Friend Recognition Background, such as the near Perfect Blue, as We ALL get to enjoy upon a development of such vast and varied relationships, as past versions have had, while this current version does not employ.

PLEASE?????????

Hello????? well,,,, this doesn't look like Kansas Toto,,,,,(rubbing eyes and looking around)

Gussie, your nic is the best little-known reference I've seen here in a long time!

Good luck experimenting with your Newts.

Well,,,,,thanks heaps

I believe your articles stay with you and your seeds, it will be on your front page...

VB.. Lance said in one of his comments that they would give advance warning.

Thanks, CL1 - I missed it!

You're welcome, Barb!

Dowser

Yep.

Thanks, sweet friend. Sometimes, it is all very isolating.

You are very welcome to join my Absolutely No Politics group, Cheryl. All here are welcome!

Do I get an invite to the no politics group once beta hits? I'm in there now and I enjoy seeing what people post and clip there.

Thanks Dowser. I just put in a request

lilgremlin-- if you're in, you're in! If you ask me send an invite to someone, (please include their full screen name), I can send one, or they can request membership!

Cheryl, I'm at work right now, but will make sure to approve your request as quickly as possible! :-)

Whew!!

Ah, thanks Dowser.

Reminds me of the siege of Baghdad.

The Grand Library of Baghdad, containing countless precious historical documents and books on subjects ranging from medicine to astronomy, was destroyed. Survivors said that the waters of the Tigris ran black with ink from the enormous quantities of books flung into the river and red from the blood of the scientists and philosophers killed.

They are ruining something that was unique under the guise of "progress". My opinion. BH

Even the most 'unique' thing won't stay unique forever with the march of time, bore-head007. Otherwise it would be in danger of becoming an outdated fossil. I think we'll lose some much loved features but equally we'll gain new ones that will grow on us.

A revitalized Newsvine Blog is a good idea.

Indeed, Ben Joseph. Life is about vibrant living, not complacent existing.

Reminds me of the siege of Baghdad.

Please explain why.

Life is about vibrant living, not complacent existing.

Civilization advances incrementally, with each new generation building on the advances made by the generation that preceded it. You don't just burn down everything, and try to reinvent the wheel from scratch.

Hulagu had to move his camp upwind of the city, due to the stench of decay from the ruined city. Baghdad was a depopulated, ruined city for several centuries and only gradually recovered some of its former glory. -- Destruction of Baghdad.

Please explain why.

You'll notice that Blog has no article archive. With the click of of a mouse, someone has erased a large portion of Newsvine's history. RAV: Ben Josephs is no longer relevant, and soon to be forgotten, in this new Newsvine.

SRO,

If you want the advice, don't complain about something that is temporary when you obviously can still find the content.

If you want the advice,

My advice to you, if you attach any sentimental value to that article, would be to copy off the contents and save it somewhere, off Newsvine. I knew where to find it, because I favorited it back when it was published. As it stands now, what should be Blog's article archive sits almost empty. I can't guarantee how long my link will be valid.

There is absolutely no reason to believe any of the blog's content will be deleted in the future.

Well, let's hope, for your sake, that your optimism pans out, because my reading of the article above demonstrates to me an "out-with-the-old, in-with-the-new" attitude.

"out-with-the-old, in-with-the-new" attitude.

And what's wrong with that? We all get excited when we're close to finishing projects. They've been working on this one for at least six months and that gives them all the more reason to be excited.

So, before you effect a complete demolition of the Classic experience you may do well to examine the reasons behind Newsvine's success ~ The ringing endorsement of a whole community. Even the banned and the disgruntled have a hard time leaving it, hence the re-reg's ~ Surely, that tells you something?

Great comment, Mighty Mouth, that sums it up.

This form of blog has a nice feel about it, and many friends are among the commentators so I'm beginning to feel at home ~ Tyler and Sally, first I must commend you ~ thanks for having listened and given us a forum to vent our spleen. My question however, is longstanding

This isn't THE beta, your friends won't show as friends....

MJL-3, I recognize my friend's by their names and sometimes even their writing styles ~ despite the fact they all look splendid in blue! ~

I recognize my friend's by their names and sometimes even their writing styles

All MM has to do to find moi is look for the long-winded posts :P

Well, mostly, b/c this one is amazingly short.

All MM has to do to find moi is look for the long-winded posts :P

Or follow the sound of the hysterical laughter. ;-)

This ISN"T it...no it isn't easy to manuver in...

Why are groups limited to just 15

Read this; Welcome (to Beta) email from Mike D. that was just released by Tyler.

Mike D. = Mike Davidson, Founder of Newsvine. Who btw, just left the Vine to accept a position as VP of Development at twitter.

Read that email, it's very enlightening.

Interesting letter, thanks, that explains the basics behind the limited groups, but not why they are limited to so few!

I don't remember much about this letter, although toward the end, it seemed to be a bit more familiar... I wonder if we got the same thing back in July?

I, too, am disappointed that only 15 slots are available.

Why are groups limited to just 15

People were publishing and clipping to dozens of irrelevant groups. If they only have 15 Nations, it limits how far they can spam.

A good point, Sir Richard.

After going back thru the various posts to this blog, it would seem the only questions that have actually been addressed have been the ones coming from the elite members, it is becoming obvious that we little people are of very little interest to TPTB! You might notice how the questions that I raised in #24 - Tue Dec 11, 2012 5:27 AM CST, have been totally ignored and obviously they do not feel that we the little people should be allowed to share in the revenue generated by the advertising on this site. I really don't care if they allow we little people to share or not, it would however be nice if they at least were honest enough to tell us that they have decided to only offer this fringie benefit to those Power Users (aka elite) members of the site, as a reward for being such wonderful members.... perhaps they should write a letter to we little people here on the site with the title "Welcome To The Mushroom Blog"......

Crazyrooster, management does not appear to have answered any relevant questions at all relating to Adsense, so I don't think it's about 'little people' or big people. They are not dealing with this very well in view of all the anxieties around the switch over. And that is a pity, because it took all the users to make Newsvine a successful site. So don't take it so personally. I am sure they will have to address it at some point and you;ll have the answers you want.

Ms CYPRAH: No disrespect intended, but it is easy to sit back and say be patient when you are not one of the little people who are cut out of the revenue sharing! It seems like the people whom Tyler called "Power Users" are receiving the revenue from Google Adsense and the little "non power users" are cut out of the loop. Try walking about two or even three steps in our shoes for a few moments and then see if you feel like we should just be patient? Now, before you call me a "bitter little man" again, let me assure you, that is not the case, I do however believe that "all" members of the Vine should be treated as equals, and that if TPTB wish to implement a Caste system then they need to do it openly and not hide behind a curtain to do so!

Now, before you call me a "bitter little man" again,

I find this comment very sad, offensive and disappointing, because I never used such words to describe you. If you could find my exact quote with these words, I would owe you an apology. But please don't exaggerate my words to suit your fears, because I do not even know you to describe you in that manner.

I do however believe that "all" members of the Vine should be treated as equals

So do I. And nothing stops you from complaining directly to the team. But I know of some 'power users', as you call them, who are having difficulties too. So nothing is ever black and white as it seems.

Of curse it is not fair to anyone, but you are not the only one affected by it, hence why I mentioned patience until it's sorted. Early this year, I was not paid by Newsvine for 5 months and I did not feel they were just discriminating against me. I felt something must have gone wrong. I wrote them to point out the non payment, and the fact that I had been rather patient. I got an explanation back and my payments resumed. So I wasn't advising you to do something that I wouldn't do.

crazyrooster1946

I am in there and I am not a " power user ". In fact far, far from it. It isn't a goal of mine to be one either. I do agree it is wrong to just leave people dangling. TPTB should deal with this soon because once beta is the norm thay are going to have their hands full helping people with that judging from what beta testers have said.

TPTB should deal with this soon because once beta is the norm thay are going to have their hands full helping people with that judging from what beta testers have said.

Exactly! I am just surprised that they are bot, given the level of anxiety being shown.

patient when you are not one of the little people who are cut out of the revenue sharing!

I'm one of those people and am not having issue with being patient, though I guess most people would toss me into the "elite" category.

It seems like the people whom Tyler called "Power Users" are receiving the revenue from Google Adsense and the little "non power users" are cut out of the loop.

AdSense not working is definitely on Google's end. It was working for a short time, then Google stopped taking sub-domains. The people who acted quickly - while Google was still accepting sub-domains - are the ones who got on. The people that dawdled on setting it up (like me) didn't get on.

Yes it did seem to me that the sooner you jumped on it the luckier you were. But why accept sub-domains and then not? If that is what happened then probably most viners are out in the cold. But if they don't plan to give their banking info then they don't care and don't complain.

The people who acted quickly - while Google was still accepting sub-domains - are the ones who got on.

You could have a point there, because I did mine that very day, within an hour of getting the notification, and I had no problems at all. It was so easy. I mistakenly thought everyone else would be the same, and did put that ease down to my having Adsense already.

Same here Ms Cyprah. A little voice in my head told me " Do it now, before it changes. "

Strangely, a long delayed confrontation between myself and Google was brought to a mutually satisfactory conclusion because of the change of earnings over to Adsense. It is too complicated to explain here but Google has owed me a few dollars for several years. I have tried to exasperation several times to resolve the matter but got caught in the nooks and crannies and loops of Google's Customer Service. For some reason when I went to put my Newsvine results into Adsense I suddenly became an active Google member.

But why accept sub-domains and then not?

I can't say what happened here but if you're installing AdSense on your own website, a sub-domain would not be the correct address to give. I'm presuming that we are not Google's typical AdSense customers and a solution needs to be worked out between Newsvine and Google.

Great result, oldfogey. Whey hey! :o)

and an "up vote" button

I think there should be a 'down vote' button, like the Mail online has for comments people don't like, rather than collapsing them and robbing people of free speech.

Don't tempt me. I would *red arrow* nasty comments into the ground like it was Agincourt! :P

LOL..scar...me too!!

Ms CYPRAH, in "Classic" there would be a tracking box in the upper left hand corner of this page. I would use that box to move on to the next article I wanted to read. I see no tracking box on this page (Beta).

So when I finish reading this article, I must click my avatar and return to my "Classic" home page to find a tracking box. What is going to happen in Beta, I wonder?

Yes, that's an interesting question, Al.

Al-316

I am in classic, and this page is different to me also. Instead of clicking the avatar, which l see at the top also, l click the newsvine icon on the top left to get back to the NV frontpage for the tracker.

Thanks for the tip, John. It works well. I need all of the help I can get.

Al-316

From what l understand, the NV frontpage refreshes once a minute, so it keeps the tracker more up to date also.

Lebowsky,

Please take the NV Beta out back and bury it :o)

Can I volunteer to be a Pall Bearer? I would even be willing to help dig the hole! Too bad TPTB don't actually care about what we think, or even what we desire!

Just a quick note if you don't mind, but I am having a very difficult time reading the comments. I don't know if it's the lettering, or the font, but I have had to enlarge this page numerous times just so I can read the darn thing.

Man, that was great!

Thank you bore-head, just telling it like it is.

Yeah! What Mighty said!!

Me too!

NV sure isn't what it used to be, but I am hopeful, sort of .....

The only people that have actually been supporting the "New and Improved Vine" aka as the "BETA FLOP" are the ones who either wanted and encouraged a new version, or those who stand to gain by the move to a more controlled and structured environment. The concept of Nations, where the Owner and his/her associates are the moderators and controllers of the discussion, which some could call censorship, will do nothing to improve the content of the Vine, and quite honestly can do nothing other than have the effect of stifling actual debate of an issue. We are already seeing one faucet of the new vine, in the lack of moderation here on what could now be compared to the infamous "PIG TROUGH", aka as the classic version. This whole change has been brought about by some unknown (to us little people) reason, probably at the request of the new owners and mgmt. Will it result in the total destruction of the vine, I would say yes it will destroy the vine as we know it, but the vine will continue on but only as a social site where people come to agree on their own special ideas and agendas, but not as a viable site where dissent is not only tolerated, but desired as well. RIP Classic News Vine...... at this time only the owners/mgmt know when the funeral is scheduled for, perhaps they will invite us little people to attend, but I suspect they will not.....

I think Tyler may be a victim here, too. My guess is that his voice carries very little weight with his superiors. His job is to implement this change and act as an intermediary. He cannot and will not say anything negative about this change. His job and career are at stake. He sees what we see and he uses Newsvine, so he knows of what we speak. Just a thought.

Yep.

Hi Al and Dowser, I happen to have a great deal of respect for Tyler and realize the precarious position he must find himself in ~ Afterall, no one bites the hand that feeds them.

LOL However, this shower act no better than the Taliban ~ A nameless, faceless, shameless band of 'terrorist's'! ~ Is that a code of honor violation?

Tyler and Sally--

I understand.

But, everyone up there must also understand that it is most frustrating for your users to be put in limbo for 5 months, as well.

You go, MM! :-D

A blessed Christmastime to you and yours and everyone on the Vine dedicated to Classic!

Hear, hear for me too!!

Merry Christmas everyone!!! :o)

Oh Scar! ~ Where have you been good bud? ~

Long story short (hey, I can do that if I want to :P)....spot of tendonitis brought on by evil exterminators & idiotic apt bldg mgmt GRRRRR *Pro-active stance against bedbugs* to ruin Halloween, Thanksgiving, & Xmas. They started mid-Oct & just finished up the *protective treatments* 6 days b4 Xmas! I gave em what-for on the poor timing, couldn't they have decided to repel non-existing cooties back in June or something? So for 2 mos it's been, move this move that shifting about nothing under nothing behind can't block that can't have that there find it a new home Fibber McGee's closets growing Tower of Xmas pressies kind of nonsense, until they kilt my elbow :-(

Thankfully it wasn't in my arse-wiping, mouse-clicking arm :P But it was mighty hard to type just the same. Not to mention drive. Decorate. Wrap. Bake. Cook. Etc. Dipstick mgmt!

A blessed Christmastime to you and yours and everyone on the Vine dedicated to Classic!

Backatcha, MM :-D

I like the Classic bit. This is probably the last Classic NV Xmas! :-O

O! Guess what I got for Xmas, MM?

Excalibur, baby! :-D That bad boy is set up in its rack gleaming at me.

I heart shiny weaponry.

Scar! how ya doing! (Help me mama! ~ you've turned practically nocturnal, indeed ~ vampiric! LOL)

HNY dear friend! ~ So sorry to hear about your tendonitis ~ and worse; bedbugs?! ~ Did I READ you right? Poor darling! I do hope the treatments are kicking in? ~ thought you'd followed the rest of NV and 'jumped ship' to Newstalker's ~ the NV afterlife? Took a sneaky peek the other day ~ left me totally underwhelmed!

I really miss your articles and your witty anecdotes, esp in the British Monarchy group! ~ Excalibur sounds like the perfect gift for a history geek like you! ~ Hope that bad boy came with the legendary 'Lady In The Lake' ~ That dame is obligatory! ~ And that sabre ain't no Excalibur without her!

Anyway, won't derail the blog any longer ~ Much luv! :) Xx

bedbugs?!

*Pro-active stance* was the mgmt-speak used. Sort of like slapping on sunblock b4 there's any burning.

thought you'd followed the rest of NV and 'jumped ship' to Newstalker's ~ the NV afterlife? Took a sneaky peek the other day ~ left me totally underwhelmed!

Wouldn't go there unless I got pd a million a yr to do it! Underwhelmed is a splendid description, MM :-D

I really miss your articles and your witty anecdotes, esp in the British Monarchy group! ~

Everyone's been slacking b/c every 5 min (or so it seems) beta is imminent for sitewide go, & that started back in July. I think most of us are waiting to see what breaks b4 putting in more stuff that can break!

Hope that bad boy came with the legendary 'Lady In The Lake' ~ That dame is obligatory! ~ And that sabre ain't no Excalibur without her!

No, but it did come w/ a bust of King Arthur & the cutest little baby Excalibur in his fist that can be removed & used as a letter opener, so that's fun!

Why so negative about News Talkers? The people there are fantastic and though it may not have the Newsvine format, you certainly don't need to watch your back. If I'm not mistaken, many of the people there now were favorites here.

It could very well be that the Beta Newsvine will be similar to Facebook and/or News Talkers. I haven't a clue, but we won't know until it happens.

TheShrew, glad you made the comment. Since reading it I have applied to become a member of News Talkers. I couldn't believe how many of my Newsvine friends were already there. I can also see a wide open future for the site. Thanks for the tip.

Why so negative about News Talkers?

MM was underwhelmed & I'm just not impressed.

MM was underwhelmed & I'm just not impressed.

Yeah, meh. But, hey. YMMV.

Oldfogey @ #45.6

Thanks for the tip.

My pleasure, Oldfogey. Many fine people are there, and if anyone misses Dowser, that's where she is along with many other wonderful people.

From Scar @ #45.7

MM was underwhelmed & I'm just not impressed.

No problem. I'm there for the Newsvine members I've known for such a long time. I like it that people can use a template for their homepage if they so choose. I am able to go back and forth, here and there, and I adore Perrie and A Mac. very much.

Between Facebook, News Talkers, and Newsvine, and with the exception of a few who turn their noses up at me, l have the best of these three worlds.

Sad and sorry to say, I wish not so simply "unbelievable."

Speechless.

Yes, we were told it would be on line before the elections in Nov! Now bear in mind they did not say what elections or what year......

Well, I hope they give us warning, because I want to be sure I've got a current list of friends copied before the "friends" function goes away.

If they do as good as the communications we have been receiving since the inception of the great Beta project started, then I don't think we will have much communication. It might be a good idea to make that list now, and update it frequently? JMO.... I too, would like to have a little notice so I can tell my friends good bye and all that kind of thing, but we will just have to wait and see what happens....

Well, I hope they give us warning, because I want to be sure I've got a current list of friends copied before the "friends" function goes away.

I've always had all my friends on my Watchtlist, so I just had to print it out..

Good idea. I'll put them on my watchlist. I presume we are going to have one in the new version of Newsvine.

Good idea, Jerry. I have a list, but haven't updated it in a while.

Yes, we were told it would be on line before the elections in Nov!

Incorrect. Tyler said he was hoping it would happen before then, but acknowledged he didn't know how realistic that wish of his was. Newsvine has never given a date that I've seen.

Still MIA,,, TPTB...

Yes and before the elections TPTB were so proud of what they thought they had that it would be released shortly.... Let's not forget the Captain jumping ship in there somewhere.

This blog has become just like all the other info articles (2, 3?) created by TPTB ... A quick 1 or 2 liners and then comment after comment of speculation and discussion never to be acknowledged.

Time marches on and so does Newsvine. The absence of TPTB has been encouraging since content has not plummeted, good articles are on the increase and this place has become halfway self moderating. Maybe the paid shills have departed. Anyway, I will continue to enjoy whatever audience and can draw and enjoy my friends in their daily machinations. The Free Press Forever!

I noticed it, too. It is easy to identify who is posting. I like it.

Me too! Brightens up the column!

The avatars USED to show up all the time-- Avatars=Good Sign, to me!

True, Dowser, and I send a HUUUGE HUUGGG! :o)

Merle @48 - I always knew some ACTED like animals here on NV, but were not nearly as domesticated as dogs, cats or horses. I'm just an empty shell of what I used to be.

Love you very much, dear Ms. Cyprah!

I like the avatars showing up, too. That's a nice change. =0)

Avatars have been working in Classic for some time except on certain NBC sites. But it is always nice to see them!

'Running Scripts' warnings also have been a bane in certain and random article's discussions. And does everyone hope to never again see that 'page change arrow' crap pop out and get hit with the cursor and lose all of your work right at the end of an Immaculate Conception scale run of conciousness?!?!

LOL

lose all of your work right at the end of an Immaculate Conception scale run of conciousness?!?!

Gremlins. They really like chocolate chip and peanut butter 'cookies.' You get zapped when you don't have any.

The avatars USED to show up all the time-- Avatars=Good Sign, to me!

Dowser, I wonder if you are referring to how they had a list of all the avatars participating in the discussion in a grouping at the top of the discussion section. I always thought that was a nice feature.

This is nice but not what beta actually looks like...I wish they could use this formate in beta...

Yes, CL, I remember that, but before that/right after, they had your avatar at every comment, I thought...

Dowser, Oh could be; maybe I just don't remember that. It's making things run slower for me with it loading in every comment box. Oh well... :)

Me, too, dear friend-- It's nice, but seemingly time consuming on the loading of pages... :-)

CL1

. It's making things run slower for me with it loading in every comment box. Oh well... :)

Dowser

but seemingly time consuming on the loading of pages... :-)

I have the same problem with the page loading, and the more pages, the longer the loading.

Nice to see both of you ladies.

Hi John ... Also, I have a new page-loading slowness happening that just started today. In the more recent past, it appeared obvious that they were making changes to each segment of the Vine, one at a time. i.e., there would be slowness and glitchiness on the Accounts page, then it would clear up, then they would move to the group page, then it would clear up, then the Friend List... and so on.

Today, that same type of slowness and glitchiness (freezing up, then all of a sudden kicking in) is happening in every discussion section.

Oh, and unexpectedly, the slow-loading that was present when they first added the avatars to the comment box - isn't happening to me anymore. I'm guessing at something -- when they go into each segment of Newsvine with the 'new' program - it must slow it down for a while, until they let go of some of the old to free up space ?

Nice to see you, too!

CL1

Oh, and unexpectedly, the slow-loading that was present when they first added the avatars to the comment box - isn't happening to me anymore. I'm guessing at something -- when they go into each segment of Newsvine with the 'new' program - it must slow it down for a while, until they let go of some of the old to free up space ?

Well, it is still happening for me, but good guess on a possibility. l always look at something like that also. l have lost green and red buttons on articles today, and had the frontpage come up with nothing on it, even after a couple of refreshes And a log off. I usually check other things first, like other sites, my computer etc.

I've had those things happen in the past as well.

Sure wish I was a Genie, right now.

I would take us back to about eleven months ago - fixing all that was wrong (to me:) with classic Newsvine, and there wasn't a whole lot wrong with it (they gave us some great tools to deal with stuff), including some other issues, and then create a new Beta program - just like the one being created - and then I would say, "All of you that are more interested in - segregation, exclusivity, prejudice, prestige, arrogance oops! ..can start using that program, and those that enjoy classic NV - trolls and all - can stay with this program with no Moderation... Enjoy!!

That's if I was a Genie, now if I was a Fairy Godmother, I would...

Merleliz.... I will sure hate to lose you. Please consider joining Old Newsvine; I'll 'accept' you if someone else doesn't first.

Thanks, CL1...now if I can just figure out how to work the new Ipad hubby got me for Christmas...I might be able to hang around. Have I mentioned that I am technologically illiterate? Typing with one finger is HARD!

Have I mentioned that I am technologically illiterate?

We're blood sisters! (by osmosis.. or something:)

Nice to see you there..

Ah, I see I am not alone in the illiterati culture.

NlC...We need a language, a flag, state bird, flower, secret handshake...

Merleliz... just stop any teen on the street and they can fill you in - on anything!

Merleliz.... I will sure hate to lose you. Please consider joining Old Newsvine; I'll 'accept' you if someone else doesn't first.

Acceptance is automatic, there are no notices, you will be assimilated lol.

Seriously though you are more than welcome, I am the current owner, CL is an Administrator there as are many others. An introductory article about the nation is here A New Nation with an Old Name and please feel free to join that discussion.

I see. "Open" nations automatically accept... only "Gated" requires acceptance, apparently.

Thank you, Leb!