Newsvine Clippings Are Now Much More Useful

Quiet times at the Newsvine Blog can only mean one thing: big stuff is in the works. Before we show off any big stuff though, we decided to launch a nice little addition we've been working on for a little while: enhanced clippings.

Clippings, until now, have been a way to "bookmark" items on Newsvine for later reading and nothing more. With our new enhanced clipping functionality, you can now decide to clip items to two additional places: your column and any group you're a member of.

So, let's say you're in the Foodies Group and you see an article or seed on Newsvine about how figs never seem to get any love in the United States outside of the Fig Newton. You didn't write the article. It's already on Newsvine. But you think the Foodies group would be very interested in discussing it. Now you can simply click the "Clip to:" button above the article's headline and publish a "reference" to the article to the Foodies group. The article will then appear in the standard article list on the Foodies front page with a "Clipped" indicator next to it.

... and then you can discuss figs! Voila!

This enhanced clipping functionality also works for your own column so whenever you find an interesting Newsvine article that you'd like to place into your column, simply click "Clip to:" and choose "My Column".

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I just noticed this earlier today, very nice addition NV team.

  • 15 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 5:16 PM EST

I've seen that around and was curious if that's what it was for, but I didn't want to do it for fear that I'd screw something up unwittingly. Cool beans.

  • 8 votes
Reply#2 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 5:17 PM EST
markDeleted

Oh, sorry Mark. I had used it a couple of times yesterday to clip items to a group not realizing it was a feature-in-progress. I thought it was one of those features that got rolled out without me knowing.

I was, and am, pretty jazzed about though. Keep up the good work!

  • 4 votes
#2.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:34 PM EST
markDeleted

Hmmm... a prize? Well for me what is fixed is that when the list of groups expands it now expands OVER any ads or images that are on the pages instead of behind them! I wasn't able to clip to many of my groups b/c it was blocked behind an ad on the page, but that seems to be fixed now! Thanks!

  • 6 votes
#2.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 9:24 AM EST

The scroll bar within the drop down list was having problems wasn't it?

-Dave

    #2.5 - Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:48 PM EDT
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    I played around with this a bit earlier, too.

    Though -- I suspect we will now here privacy concerns again.

    Just to head that off -- is it possible to check a box for: "I don't want my content clipped, because I don't like the extra visibility I'd receive if I were to leave this box unchecked!"?

    (Not that I care -- I can only dream that people might clip my work into their own column or group.)

    Great feature -- and (as usual) the Newsvine blog teases about new features that aren't yet implemented.

    I suspect that the Newsvine Blog also writes and edits the "Next week on..." promos for Lost.

    • 6 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 5:46 PM EST

    Just to head that off -- is it possible to check a box for: "I don't want my content clipped, because I don't like the extra visibility I'd receive if I were to leave this box unchecked!"?

    You know, if privacy is what you're after publishing an article to "All of Newsvine," or anywhere outside of your friends, probably isn't the best idea. My $0.02.

    • 8 votes
    #3.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:36 PM EST

    Probably not. I'm just teasing all those participated in the privacy concerns regarding Newsvine Live.

    • 7 votes
    #3.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 7:07 PM EST

    Sorry I misunderstood that it was a razz. I stayed out of those discussions because my comments would have looked a lot like the one above.

    • 5 votes
    #3.3 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 10:16 PM EST

    (Not that I care -- I can only dream that people might clip my work into their own column or group.)

    Unlike Tony, I initially chuckled at your comment above. A moment later Tony drew another smile from me with:

    I stayed out of those discussions because my comments would have looked a lot like the one above.

    Suffice to say, it's a great tool as we all agree.

    • 2 votes
    #3.4 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:46 PM EDT
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    Nice work guys, can't wait to try it out.

    • 5 votes
    Reply#4 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:12 PM EST

    You guys are amazing. Thanks so much for listening! Great, great stuff. Cheers!

    • 6 votes
    Reply#5 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:22 PM EST

    This is pretty cool. It's something I wished existed without even knowing how it could work. Which is why I'm a writer and don't program computers. As it stands, I have to get my 10 year old to turn my laptop on.

    I think it will allow a lot of articles to get greater visibility. There have been many times I've come across an article or seed that belonged in a group and had no way of doing it, aside from recommending to the member that they join the group and publish it there. A couple of times I just seeded it again, Newsvine to Newsvine, which was goofy but I didn't know what else to do. And now, once again, you've saved me from doing something goofy.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#6 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:54 PM EST

    Hey! Are you trying to suck up after the "incident" on your column? Nice job. I think it might work. ;)

    • 4 votes
    #6.1 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 6:58 PM EST

    Sshh! Shut up, lauhal you bigmouth!

    Don't pay any attention to her. She doesn't know what she's talking about. She's a crazy person. I don't know where she came from or who she is. Seriously, lady.

    • 3 votes
    #6.2 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 7:03 PM EST
    ArdithDeleted

    Did I hear something pop?

    • 5 votes
    #6.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 8:10 AM EST

    Oh my stars! You people. ;)

    • 5 votes
    #6.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 8:14 AM EST

    Stop it! Stop this instant! Seriously. You're going to get me in trouble. And if I go down, you're all coming down with me. Hear me?

    • 3 votes
    #6.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 8:18 AM EST
    ArdithDeleted

    To be perfectly honest, we listen to every single suggestion we read, and probably 80% of them are awesome. The only reason things don't get done quicker is that there is just so much good new stuff to do. Spend too much time doing all the little things people want and you end up putting off the really big, really great things.

    • 7 votes
    #6.8 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:01 AM EST

    We're patient people, Mike, and we all love Newsvine. I don't think you're going to lose any of us because you aren't implementing features fast enough.

    Thanks for all you do!

    • 6 votes
    #6.9 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:14 AM EST

    I don't think you're going to lose any of us because you aren't implementing features fast enough.

    @!$%#, Viki -- I was this close to hitting "post" on a meticulously crafted "Dammit all! I'm leaving Newsvine because they aren't implementing features fast enough" article and then I read your comment.

    Thanks, so much -- for deflating my ire.

    Now I have to find another reason to leave.

    • 2 votes
    #6.10 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:34 PM EST

    Oh, yeah. Like you're going to leave Newsvine. I'll believe that when I see it.

    Sorry to burst your bubble, although you know, it IS okay for you to disagree with me.

    • 3 votes
    #6.11 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:13 PM EST

    Stop it! Stop this instant! Seriously. You're going to get me in trouble. And if I go down, you're all coming down with me. Hear me?

    That's what she said.

    • 2 votes
    #6.12 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 4:51 PM EST
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    Bravo! A great idea.

    There are some AP feeds that would be great in one of the groups I belong to (especially the Seattleites). I've been wishing for a way to funnel good stuff that direction, rather than seed new material. This will be just splendid.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#7 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 7:03 PM EST

    Another nice feature. It's great to see the sort of effort that you guys put into developing features that are useful and work unlike some other sites I have used. Newsvine for site of the decade.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#8 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 10:00 PM EST

    Awesome! Re: Big News. I was wondering when we'll be able to do the images 1 of 3 as in the picture above. I've noticed some A.P. stories do that and was wondering if you guys are working on that for the columns.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#9 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 10:11 PM EST

    Awesome. This is a feature I had requested a while back. :)

    • 1 vote
    Reply#10 - Thu Mar 8, 2007 10:49 PM EST

    Sounds like great feature although I must admit I'm a little confused between clipping a seed to a Group and including the same Group on that seed.

    I have been manually adding specific, relevant Groups when seeding and see that my post appears on that column.

    What am I missing?

    • 2 votes
    Reply#11 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 8:27 AM EST

    You can "plant" someone else's seed to a group.

    • 7 votes
    #11.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 8:31 AM EST

    AHA!

    Thanks Lauhal. Amazing how simple it is when one understands it. Light switch. ON.

    • 3 votes
    #11.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 8:48 AM EST

    You can "plant" someone else's seed to a group.

    Oh God! Will the horticultural jokes never end?!? :-)

    I say we work on a "Hydroponics Lab." I don't know what that would do, but it sounds cool.

    • 5 votes
    #11.3 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 2:15 PM EST

    Just as well he didn't go the whole hog with this

    You can plant someone else's seed to a tree in your patch.

    • 3 votes
    #11.4 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 2:21 PM EST

    You can "plant" someone else's seed to a group.

    Oh God! Will the horticultural jokes never end?!? :-)

    That was a horticultural joke?! Damn, guess I'm a "dirty old man" after all......

    • 2 votes
    #11.5 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 4:28 PM EST

    I say we work on a "Hydroponics Lab." I don't know what that would do, but it sounds cool.

    Just make sure the folks from the Marijuana News Group are consulted... I'm sure they could come up with a few ideas. ;)

    • 4 votes
    #11.6 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 7:32 PM EST

    Jim - Keep your "seeds" to yourself.

    Aine - Dude, that was wicked awesome.

    • 4 votes
    #11.7 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 7:46 PM EST
    Reply

    I'm wondering how exactly this works, because I'm noticing a bunch of "clipped" articles that I know I didn't clip. There's an article about Nintendo wanting more happy games or something -- I'd never before seen it, certainly didn't read it or clip it, and yet it has a "clipped" icon next to it.

    Glitch?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#12 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 9:21 AM EST

    Eh? On your column? If they aren't on your column and they are on a group instead, that means someone in the group clipped them.

    • 3 votes
    #12.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 2:20 PM EST
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    I just tried clipping an article to a group, but the list goes behind the advertisement below it, and then disappears behind the beginning of the comments section. Yes, I belong to too many groups.

    I know this issue was mentioned by somebody already, somewhere, but I don't see it above and can't remember where I saw it.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#13 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 9:25 AM EST

    I mentioned this yesterday... It is fixed for me know, at least for behind the advertisements. My list isn't long enough to go behind the comments though.

    • 1 vote
    #13.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 10:19 AM EST
    Reply

    Love it. But, is there a way to sort groups into subgroups? I have about 100 groups I'm in, so I need that functionality. Thanks!

    • 3 votes
    Reply#14 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 10:14 AM EST

    I'm not sure I understand your request -- Do you mean:

    I would like all of my groups about "entertainment" to be under that heading -- and all my groups about "sports" to be under that heading?

    If so -- I think that makes for a good idea. (I think the groups page that lists the groups I'm in could be better organized and I think your idea would be a big help.)

    • 4 votes
    #14.1 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 10:18 AM EST

    Yeah, or maybe user defined headings. So, I could put some groups under "Newsvine", some under "Sports", etc.

    • 1 vote
    #14.2 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 11:13 AM EST
    Reply

    One thing I'm a little unclear about:

    What's the point in clipping an article to my own column? Clipping to groups, I can understand: My movies, etc. group has a specific theme and I can populate it with articles that share that theme.

    The only reason I ask -- I just dropped by Calvin's column because my watchlist showed he'd written a new article -- and was confused at first because I saw Steve Watts' most recent Lost in the Vines post. After my initial confusion, I decided that having articles clipped straight to the section with "my" articles seems like a bad idea.

    Just beyond the confusion issue -- my (author) watchlist is so that I can see articles written by authors I know I like -- I'm not sure I want it to tell me when an author I know I like has posted something to his/her column by another author. (Even if I may like that author.)

    So, it seems to me that there should be an option to move "clipped" items into their own list (which I could put below my articles or on the sidebar) and that anything I clip shouldn't show up in someone's watchlist if they happen to be watching me. (Unlikely as that may be.)

    I guess I just want an Author's column to very clearly show what that author has written and/or seeded -- apart from what they find of interest from other authors. (Or -- the option to make it that way.)

    • 6 votes
    Reply#15 - Fri Mar 9, 2007 10:42 AM EST
    markDeleted

    I love the idea of clipping to a column. But maybe we should make it a little like Recommendations, off to the side. Or maybe give it it's own category (like Seeds and Articles). Just don't take it away, I can see how that would be very useful. Might also cut down on multiple seeds to the same article.

    • 3 votes
    #15.2 - Sat Mar 10, 2007 5:16 PM EST
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    ArdithDeleted

    One request: can articles that you clip be added to your Conversation Tracker?

    I clipped a story to Movies Etc about the MPAA ratings, and apparently there's been a little conversation going that I had no idea about. I suppose I could comment myself to get the same effect, but it'd be nice if there was a way to treat it like your own articles and seeds, where you don't have to comment to get it tracked; the act of seeding/clipping it shows you have interest in the story and comments that follow.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#17 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:58 AM EDT

    There's a button at the bottom of every article that lets you start tracking it even without leaving a comment.

    • 1 vote
    #17.1 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:12 AM EDT
    markDeleted

    Eh, don't do that. I don't want to track every article I go to.

    • 1 vote
    #17.3 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 1:59 PM EDT

    Yes, I'll agree with Online Apps there, please no auto-tracking. Maybe throw a track conversation button up at the top then, so people don't have to scroll all the way down to the bottom button.

    • 2 votes
    #17.4 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:12 PM EDT

    Yeah, I meant it more as an automatic tracking, rather than having to press the button.

    And Online Apps, it really wouldn't be tracking every article you go to; just the ones that you've clipped into your own column or a group. If that's still not satisfactory, maybe the team could make it optional?

    • 2 votes
    #17.5 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:12 PM EDT

    I like the track for clipping, just not (what it seemed like Mark was saying) track every article you see.

    • 1 vote
    #17.6 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:46 PM EDT
    markDeleted

    Sorry, definitely my fault.

    • 1 vote
    #17.8 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:03 PM EDT

    I still think that is a bad idea. The reasons that I would want to clip an article have nothing to do with whether I want to track it. There is a track button already, so it is not as if the functionality does not exist.

    • 4 votes
    #17.9 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 4:09 PM EDT

    I agree with Adam. The track button is there. Maybe there needs to be one next to the clip button to make it easier to get to, but I don't think we should confuse the two operations. I would want to use them independently.

    • 2 votes
    #17.10 - Mon Mar 12, 2007 5:28 PM EDT
    Reply

    Question: How does one unclip? When a Vine article is clipped to your column and the list of seeds and articles are separated in 'customize', it shows up as your article. There doesn't seem to be a way to unclip it once there.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#19 - Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:12 PM EDT

    Try visiting your History pages and see if you can do it from there.

    • 3 votes
    #19.1 - Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:29 PM EDT
    markDeleted

    If it's a private clipping...

    It's another Viner's article that I clipped to my column (not private clippings) for a time. For some reason, I expected it to be flagged as a seed. It appears as 'my' article when the seeds and articles are separated on my column page, though the link is correct, of course.

    The 'trash can' removes it from the history page itself, but not from my article list - or 'Edit Articles', btw. On 'Edit Articles', there is the expected 'View' and 'Delete' links, but -erm- I don't want to hit delete. :)

    • 1 vote
    #19.3 - Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:27 PM EDT

    I just checked the history page again and it's back there, too. It disappeared from history while I was actually on the page, but apparently didn't go anywhere when I 'trashed' the link.

    So, it's still on 'Edit Articles' and it's still on 'History' and there's no removing it.

      #19.4 - Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:37 PM EDT

      Did you try the trashcan icon on the seed on your main column page yet?

        #19.5 - Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:43 PM EDT

        There is none. :/

          #19.6 - Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:54 PM EDT

          That's odd because today I clipped an article from Mike D.'s column and a seed from Mark's column, and both of them show trashcan icons that I can use on my column to get rid of them. Report it as a bug, and give the techies a link to the seed you want unclipped, and explain it in the bug report so they can figure out what went wrong.

            #19.7 - Tue Mar 27, 2007 10:02 PM EDT
            Reply

            I just started using this feature and have had great success with it. I really do like it. It is also visually appealing.

            • 1 vote
            Reply#20 - Wed Mar 28, 2007 2:03 PM EDT

            I am new to this and need some help. I have tried clipping some of my past articles to groups I have just joined. Everything seemed to work well with using the clip button but my articles are not showing up in the groups or in my history, and if I try to clip them again to the same group it won't let me, so it seems to be registering SOMEWHERE that they have already been clipped to where I want them to go.

            Can someone please tell me what I am missing of doing wrong?

            Thanks,

            Rhys M. Blavier

            • 3 votes
            Reply#21 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 12:09 PM EDT

            Can you point me to an article that you clipped and tell me what group you clipped it to?

            • 2 votes
            #21.1 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 1:29 PM EDT

            I have, for example, tried to clip this article:

            http://blavier.newsvine.com/_news/2008/10/25/2039551-the-laboratory-of-democracy-alternative-voting-methods-approval-voting

            to both Constitutional Law and ObamaVine

            Thanks,

            Rhys M. Blavier

            • 3 votes
            #21.2 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 6:03 PM EDT

            Ahhh...here's the deal. The article IS clipped to those groups. You probably just clipped them recently, right? Because you published the article back in October, it will not show in the group front page now. It matters when you wrote it...not when you clipped it.

            • 3 votes
            #21.3 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 6:12 PM EDT

            Ok, so if I want them to show up at the top of those groups NOW, I would have to seed them, is that right?

            Thanks, I appreciate the answer and knowing that I wasn't simply an idiot (well, I may be but THAT isn't an idication of it).

            Rhys

            • 3 votes
            #21.4 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:42 PM EDT

            You are not allowed to seed your own stuff here. The Code of Honor specifically prohibits seeding your own material. I understand you wanting your articles to get some attention, but you can't re-post stuff just to get more page-views.

            I'd suggest that you update the old articles with new information and post them. Or you could write new articles and link to those older posts within the new ones (although go lightly on this...people here HATE self-promotion).

            Does this help? :)

            • 3 votes
            #21.5 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:51 PM EDT

            Very much, I appreciate it. I thought that because the moderator of the group who asked me to join told me to seed my own articles. I am just trying to figure out the ettiquett, Thank you again.

            Rhys

            • 3 votes
            #21.6 - Thu Apr 2, 2009 7:59 PM EDT

            Let me make sure you understand the terminology. "Seeding" refers to posting articles from other sources ( BBC, WSJ, LA Times, etc.). Newsvine does not permit a user to "seed" items from his outside blog/website. Posting articles requires you to use the "Write Article" option, rather than the "Seed Newsvine" button. If you have an outside blog, use the "Write Article" option instead of the "Seed Newsvine" button to post items. (Most people just cut & paste the material.) You are allowed to clip seeds and articles to groups, whether you write the items or not. :)

            • 5 votes
            #21.7 - Fri Apr 3, 2009 7:25 AM EDT
            Reply

            I have a QUESTION about Clipping.

            Why would someone, presumably the Group Owner, DELETE an article that I Clipped or Published to the Group, only to turn around and Clip those same articles Back Into his Group under his name as the Clipper?

            Does that somehow add to his Leaderboard Points or give him some kind of extra control over the articles? Or is there some other benefit to doing that?

            Here's the backstory on those questions:

            This morning I Clipped an article by 1Hiram (after getting his permission to do so first) to the Group called Newsvine Community.

            When I went to that group later, I noticed that unlike the other 9 Groups I had Clipped that very same article to, which each stated By 1Hiram (Clipped by Bruce-1628250)

            This article that I had Clipped to Newsvine Community, now states: By 1Hiram (Clipped by Ben Josephs)

            The article title is: Donate your Newsvine earnings to the American Red Cross

            Then I looked a little further in the Newsvine Community Group and found one of my own articles (What DO our Newsvine Avatars say about us? - UPDATED 10/31/12) that I had originally published into the Newsvine Community Group myself, was now showing: By Bruce-1628250 (Clipped by Ben Josephs)

            Again, it looks to me like Ben Josephs had DELETED the original article I published into the Newsvine Community Group, and then added it back in by Clipping it under his name.

            Why would he do that? I am just really really curious about that and what reason there would be for that.

              #22 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:25 PM EDT

              it could be innocent -- such as they THOUGHT it was off topic and deleted it, then went "oops, this is important for our group" and re-clipped it

              • 2 votes
              #22.1 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 6:31 PM EDT

              Hi belle42! I didn't think anyone else was on Newsvine but me, it's been so quiet today.

              I suppose "Oops" could be a reason, but I also noted that in each case Ben Josephs started a Private Comment Section with each of these articles that I originally clipped and published. So I asked myself: Can the Group Owner only start Private Conversations if he/she is the Clipper of the article?

              That would be kind of weird. Because lauhal already explained to me how Private Conversations work, and it's not necessary to be the owner, but just be a member of the group. So, there must be some other reason Ben Josephs deleted my articles then re-Clipped them. Newsvine: How to Initiate a Private Conversation in a Group?

              • 1 vote
              #22.2 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 7:18 PM EDT

              Why don't you contact him via the Contact Author and ask him? He may have a valid reason, and if not, then you can complain. :-)

              • 5 votes
              #22.3 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 8:04 PM EDT

              I'm not complaining. Does it seem like I'm complaining? I hope not. Just curious.

              I tried to start a conversation with Ben Josephs, about a FR I had sent that he didn't accept. He seemed, um, reticent, to discuss it further. So, I didn't want to bother him with this.

              So I searched for info on Clipping, and that's how I found this article, and it just seemed logical to post my question here.

              Does that make sense?

              • 2 votes
              #22.4 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 8:09 PM EDT

              I suppose "Oops" could be a reason, but I also noted that in each case Ben Josephs started a Private Comment Section with each of these articles that I originally clipped and published.

              This actually explains it. It has to do with how Nation conversations are started in Newsvine 3.0 Beta. In the current system, starting a Group tab and clipping the article to the Group are two separate actions. In Beta, starting a new Nation discussion is two actions: it begins the discussion and it clips the discussion to the Nation page.

              Since there's only one "clipper" slot per seed/article, when Ben started a Nation discussion in Community his ID overwrote yours.

              It's worth noting that this shouldn't be an issue once Beta goes "live" and everyone is using the new system. The behavior is just an artifact of running two parallel systems that share the same data.

              To answer your other question, to the best of my knowledge--and I have never seen it suggested otherwise by NV--clipping doesn't affect earnings or Leaderboard ranking.

              • 7 votes
              #22.5 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 8:12 PM EDT

              No, dear Bruce, I didn't think you were complaining-- and spiffie certainly explained it well, when I really didn't understand all that. Thanks, spiffie!

              I don't know how it all works, Bruce, and can't figure it out. There doesn't appear to be much guidance around these days...

              • 5 votes
              #22.6 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 8:13 PM EDT

              Beta!!!!! Now it makes sense. I remember he was chastised once, probably a lot more than once but I only saw the one time, for not posting his reply comment in a thread, but starting a new thread. (You know what I mean I hope.) And he didn't really explain why he did that, but later on someone else did and it was because of Beta!!!!

              I guess he is just really tired of having to explain all the time why Beta does things that are beyond his control, and kind of makes it look like he's inept or something when he's really not. Now it sort of makes sense to me.

              It must be frustrating to be in Beta and have it kluge you up all the time.

              Thank you spiffie!!

              Well, I'm learning too Dowser, and why it may seem like I ask too many dumb questions. Sometimes when I read about the Beta issues I just thing Newsvine should just go ahead and throw the switch and put everyone in Beta and be done with it. But then, I have more than 15 groups I'm in, and there are still some I'd like to check into before I get down to the 15 finalists. So, Newsvine can take their sweet time on Beta I suppose.

              Thanks!

              • 3 votes
              #22.7 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 8:18 PM EDT

              Speaking in Ben's defense, it is beta. I have just recently been involved with beta and noticed when I choose to make a comment in one of my nations in an article that originates in someone else's column, it clips the article to your nation. You are not performing the action of clipping as in our present Newsvine where we physically clip an article. In beta it does it automatically whenever you comment outside of the group or column where the original article was published.

              • 1 vote
              #22.8 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 11:13 AM EDT

              PonGoad, I do think that Ben being in Beta is what caused the strange stuff I was asking about, and it was beyond his control because of Beta. (No problemo Ben Josephs! I wasn't complaining, just wondering.)

              PonGoad, I don't know how you feel about it, but this 'automatic clipping" you described sounds like it will cause a lot of problems. For someone who likes to comment on a variety of subjects, auto-clipping seems like it will quickly junk-up their own nation. I don't think that's a very good thing, do you?

              • 1 vote
              #22.9 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:13 PM EDT

              I've only been in beta a few days and they are still working on the functionality of it, so I don't really want to say anything one way or the other as I really don't know.

              • 1 vote
              #22.10 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 2:23 PM EDT

              sliding in, well I do know. Everytime someone leaves a comment, when they choose a Nation to publish to ...that's where the flaw is.

              Think of it this way, what would happen to groups if Every commenter clipped an article/seed that they commented on...to any number of their groups? There are hundreds if not Thousands of groups that members belong too. :)

              If you comment more than once, you can choose another Nation to publish the comment to....If even Two people choose to publish to the Same one...I think it could even be a ...double your money.

              • 1 vote
              #22.11 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 4:43 PM EDT

              Personally, if someone clips my authored article, I think I should be able to comment on it, no matter where it goes. I wrote it, darn it.

              I think they've made it much too complicated.

              • 3 votes
              #22.12 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 4:53 PM EDT

              You can still comment, the issue is if the Nation has Rules of what gets clipped. Remember All the Complaints about inappropriate clipping or seeding?...LOL It was like a major Firestorm about those. Members of groups were booted from groups & now how is anyone going to know What nations rules are...people have data overload & occasionally will put an article in the wrong group.

              The newbie's are the ones that are going to have the Worst time of it. And some members new or old think they only have to abide by CoH & UA ...they don't have to go by group rules...or they will argue with an admin about the group rules. Been there Done that & it is Not a pleasant encounter.

              • 1 vote
              #22.13 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 5:08 PM EDT

              Sigh! Don't I know it!

              I think it is a nightmare of EPIC proportions!

              • 2 votes
              #22.14 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:46 PM EDT

              It's not just newbies who have nightmares with this stuff and even being in Beta doesn't make it better!

              • 3 votes
              #22.15 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:43 AM EDT

              Beta makes it worse!

              After the election is over, I'm planning on writing a huge article. I've had it. :-)

              • 2 votes
              #22.16 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:36 AM EDT

              Hat's off to you Dowser, for me it feels like spitting into the wind to try to get staff to hear a thing. I hope to see it and add two cents and will cross my fingers that it doesn't get Beta sorted to a place where problems go. On my list of fears with the divided Nations is a more subtle form of censorship that lets MSM swill get even prominence and buries the types of discussion that many of us came here for and has steadily evaporated from the moment we got corporate ownership, vanishing along with staff replies!

              • 3 votes
              #22.17 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 8:05 AM EST

              That's a really good point! I believe that some of the TPTB, (the powers that be), feel that non-news items are not worthy to be on the front page... ARGHHH!

              • 3 votes
              #22.18 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 11:18 AM EST
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              Dowser, maybe you know, I emailed the staff and got no response, I'm in the new beta group, and where do we go to discuss issues with other beta members, or to give our feedback, ask questions, or what....this is ridiculous.

              Join Beta, now you're on your own.

              • 3 votes
              Reply#23 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:00 PM EDT

              Yep. I have no idea. They have closed the section where one could give feedback. About the best I can offer is to report a bug, and put in your own subject.

              I'm about 1/2 of a hair from asking to be taken off the Beta testing.

              • 3 votes
              #23.1 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:05 PM EDT

              rescue dogs62, I copied this from one of my article comments, perhaps this will help (my bolding)...

              mstanley2265

              phobe.....Beta is the Test version of an Updated looking NV. The Final version will be put up eventually. There are some tweaks due to different things that the NV grew into...so, the staff are doing some adjustments to the NV. If you want to wade through all the articles of the Beta they are at the Town Hall group. But do keep in mind that this is a Test version & not the final one.

              our Pil....I like the cocktail group analogy, which is where NV seems to be heading, fewer 'cocktail parties' to have to attend & hopefully with Fewer disingenuous articles. LOL

              #3.6 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 8:46 AM PDT

              So, you might find what you're looking for in the Town Hall Group?

              • 1 vote
              #23.2 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:14 PM EDT

              Don't feel bad Dowser, I've been in every Beta since Newsvine began and this is the first one I dropped out of because it has way too many limits and no improvements for me. Not looking forward to what happens when its finally rolled out site wide and worry they may take away most of my groups to put me Nations for some cloud computing profit model that helps fit corporate targets but does %$#@ for the users.

              • 4 votes
              #23.3 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 12:48 AM EDT

              thanks, you have words of comfort that I'm not alone in this world of disgust!

              ((((((((((((Pamela))))))))))))

              • 2 votes
              #23.4 - Sun Nov 4, 2012 1:37 AM EDT
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              I did, that's where I put it, and have heard nothing....I'm also ready to quit Beta....I hate the limitations. I can't even tell which comments are new to my articles if I'm in Beta. I have to go into Classic, and if I've made the mistake of actually opening the article in Beta, then the new comments are voided from Classic. For some reason I can't even seed to one of my groups in classic because it doesn't list it, so I have to go to Beta if I want to seed an article to that group.

              • 5 votes
              Reply#24 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:14 PM EDT

              Yep. That among about 1,000 other things that drive me absolutely nuts.

              • 5 votes
              #24.1 - Thu Nov 1, 2012 9:16 PM EDT

              Dowser! Soosalah (Suz) thanks you so very much!!!!

              • 2 votes
              #24.2 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 5:02 PM EDT

              (((((((((TheShrew))))))))))

              It is I, who thank you!!!

              • 2 votes
              #24.3 - Sat Nov 3, 2012 6:47 PM EDT

              RD... I'm with you... no threading has been a HUGE issue of mine...one which I have been complainaing about... but I keep getting patted on the head and told that I will learn to love Beta...

              No... no I won't. I can't moderate my own articles in Beta, the way that I feel that they should be moderated.... I can't answer posts from groups/nations that I am not a part of... I do not like it Sam I Am...

                #24.4 - Thu Nov 15, 2012 11:54 PM EST

                rescue, if you give the page time to load, it goes to the new comments. There's an add on for older comments. One thing I found helpful was actually Using the Post comment to nation, not just to Public. Tho, I've not seen very many doing it in Beta.

                I'm posting in both so no issue there for me. The crossover issue might be with getting all the archived articles/seeds over to the new version.

                Brita, that no thread in public is something that I don't like either. Right now tho, this is Beta, not final so maybe that can be added in on the final version ...at least I hope so. I know of no other website that has tossed the reply action in public discussion.

                The only way to answer when we don't belong to a Nation is in the public discussion. Splitting out the two discussions is more an experiment than an actual it works deal. We need to wait & see if it is workable in cybertime.

                The more I see the split & the less use of the nation discussion aspect, the more I think the split isn't going to be as workable without more time for users to get used to it or use it.

                The nation discussion is a special option that allows members to discuss a topic without just anyone dropping by. The no thread option in public is keeping discussion limited. It's beginning to look like limiting discussion more than encouraging discussion to me. Members like to 'drop by' to see what other members are doing or writing. Especially for those that are homebound or are limited, since they can't do it in realtime.

                The nation discussion is more like a city council meeting. An notice of a meeting is extended by writing an article/seeding...The people inside the city council meeting can address the article/seed, those outside the nation can do whatever but they cannot interact like they would in realtime outside without the thread reply option.

                  #24.5 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 8:59 AM EST

                  The nation discussion is more like a city council meeting. An notice of a meeting is extended by writing an article/seeding...The people inside the city council meeting can address the article/seed,

                  That's a very feasible way to view their intentions, mstanley. I do think so. It's to create topical discussion for the articles, and leave the outside public discussion for off-topic or whatever. But, also, to be selective with who has the 'right' to participate. Pros and cons, there. Someone might appear disruptive in a comment or two, but that might not be an accurate overall portrayal. Maybe the new system won't get abused to discriminate, but i can see the possibility.

                    #24.6 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 1:35 PM EST

                    Members like to 'drop by' to see what other members are doing or writing. Especially for those that are homebound or are limited, since they can't do it in realtime.

                    That is me in a nutshell so it is somewhat worrisome.

                    Trying to catch up on the nation idea is a mission in itself and I am grateful for information and comments on the subject, but in reading your last paragraph, why do I have the feeling this new Newsvine is going to be excluding certain members from participating in ANY discussion.

                      #24.7 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 3:03 PM EST

                      Shrew, I haven't been there yet, but my understanding is that one can still comment in 'any' nation's public discussion - some nation's are open for all, some have to be 'joined,' and others will be 'invite only,' to be able to contribute to 'group' discussions. So, there is still room for everyone to contribute in some way.

                      • 1 vote
                      #24.8 - Fri Nov 16, 2012 4:05 PM EST
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                      On the other hand.I may not be the oldest of member, but I have been around since 2008, what's the criteria for even having the chance to get involved and have an opinion?

                      • 1 vote
                      Reply#25 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 8:43 AM EST

                      uhh, logging into Newsvine & the internet...otherwise you're stuck w/family, relatives & neighbors. :)

                        #25.1 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 8:52 AM EST

                        Sorry..I forgot the level of discourse when I'm not stuck with "family, relatives & neighbors". The general discussion had to do with beta...so let me make it a bit easier for you...

                        On the other hand.I may not be the oldest of member, but I have been around since 2008, what's the criteria for even having the chance to get involved with Beta and thus have an opinion on whether or not the rumored changes are positive or negative?

                        Better?

                        • 1 vote
                        #25.2 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 9:00 AM EST

                        haha, yes, I knew you would clarify...when you got time. This is writing I can't Seeeee you. :) tho I would like tooo...Next Road Trip, tell me where you are...LOL

                        The criteria?, I figure 1/4 opinionated, 1/4 off chart writing 1/4 mix of heavy user/light user 1/4 group admins.

                        It's beta, not the final version, be glad if you've been spared. I click away & if it works great if not bug report...much like it is on classic. LOL It's just a different visual more or less. Which I'm glad they are doing it slower because YouTube & Yahoo dump their tweaks without warning & it's flaying around time, like a fish outta water, at least for me. sighhhh

                        Microsoft at Least gives the Best explanations for their tweaks or new visuals. Their Plus is the Forums, you get a 48 hour response from a techie. :)....♥ my Microsoft techie's.

                        Sidenote: Come over to the Jukebox once in awhile Soc, listen to some music...makes you mellow. I have a sewer drainage pipe that was clogged & landladies son, short of a brick, who has Managed to turn a 4 hour job into Three Whole Days. sighhh...

                        m slinging water & mud out of drainpipe hole with shovel like her Daddy taught her & showing worker Why the drainpipe Doesn't drain...It has a Hole in it. sighhhhh

                          #25.3 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 9:14 AM EST

                          As a whole, I don't find beta to be that bad. It is easier to read things and, yes, we have lost the capability of many things, i.e., friends lists, no comments showing, doesn't look like you can use any code (not sure about this though), doesn't look like we can use any picture headers in our nations. It does have a lonely feel to it though - like its only you and your words.

                          My biggest issue I have with beta is the comment-clip feature. Everytime I make a comment in one of my nations, the article will automatically clip itself to that nation. I can see where this can be a good thing, but there is a side to it that is just awful.

                          • 1 vote
                          #25.4 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 9:50 AM EST

                          Its one thing to have to manually clip an article, it's something else when it is automatic and you have no control over it. In the present beta, if someone wants to derail an article, they go in and comment. Those comments, thoughh, are mixed in with other comments that may pertain to the article itself. They are not in one place.

                          Under the new system, anyone can 'clip' an article to one of their nations and have a field day with it and all of those comments are then under one nation tab and are not interpersed with the comments that are the meat of the article. This should never, ever be allowed to happen, but I see no way to prevent it.

                          _______________________

                          It is not fair that we should have to unpublish an article because a particular group wanted to trash an article or an author. We can't delete individual nation tabs, so that means either we delete those comments (some know how to circumvent the CoH), close comments and leave those awful ones there, or unpublish the article.

                          • 1 vote
                          #25.5 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 9:51 AM EST

                          There needs to be a solution to this. In creating the trough that is supposed to cut down on trolls and malicious users. If they set up their own nation and we are not a member of that nation, other than doing what I stated above, we will be sitting in our glassed rooms watching the destruction of our work. Yeah, we could comment, but it would have nothing to do with the article itself, unless I guess we could try to bring that nation on topic.

                          There are those of us who may have personality conflicts and for the most part respect each others differences and still allow each other to have their space in Newsvine and hopefully don't attempt to sabotage each other's work. What I am talking about in these comments are those who are just out to cause trouble.

                          ___________________

                          I don't know what the solution is, but I feel this should really be looked into but the developers of this software. I do not want to see out and out battles between nations. It could end up being a war zone and that would be just awful.

                          • 2 votes
                          #25.6 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 9:52 AM EST

                          PonGoad...Sounds to me that it might actually represent the state of the country rather well.

                          mstanley2265....thanks for the invite, but I'm thinking I'll be pretty busy looking at travel brochures for quite a while. No offense, but I'm beginning to think this whole separate nation idea of Newsvine's might actually work out rather well.

                          • 2 votes
                          #25.7 - Wed Nov 7, 2012 10:39 AM EST
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