We've amended the Code Of Honor!

Today, we published an update to the Code of Honor. It's the first one in a long time, and the revision loses some outdated language and adds some specific provisions about Nation administration that were lacking.

We've also added headings for each section of the Code, and useful hyperlinks to each section and sub-section (the moderators are pretty psyched about this development).

Here's what the direct links look like when you mouse over them! CoH 1a is unchanged.

 

Here are some answers to questions you might have about the changes:

Why change the CoH?

Mostly because it needed some more specific, clear Nation-related language. You'll notice new provisions regarding advertising Nations (2d), upholding the Code of Honor within Nations (4b), and violating the CoH within Nations (5b).

Does this mean staff is going to use the new CoH to retire/moderate/oversee a bunch of Nations?

No. We don't think there's a lot of Nations that have been violating any of the new revisions. We're not going to back and retroactively moderate Nations - but if you're a Nation Admin, you'll want to closely read the new Code.

Where can I find this new CoH?

It's right in the navigation bar at the top of all Newsvine pages, under 'Help'. Formerly, it was just in the website footer. It's still there, but now it's at the top of every page, like so:

 

Convenient, right? We're excited to have these changes published. Let us know what you think in the comments!

Discuss this post

Big thanks to Luke and Sally and Dave for consulting/designing/editing, and to lots of Newsviners for letting us moderators know that sometimes this part of the Code we cited didn't seem to match up with the violation in question, and could we make this a little clearer?

Hopefully, we did - and I'm really happy to have the CoH in the Help menu.

  • 8 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 3:36 PM EST

Another little change: the numbers in the CoH now have little summarizing titles - #1. Above All Else, Respect Others, #2. No Self-Promotion - and so on.

I like it.

  • 6 votes
#1.1 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 3:48 PM EST

1. Why can't we go back to THIS format for all discussions rather than Nations?

2. Why aren't the moderators, Tyler and company, looking at the nations AT ALL? There is name calling, slap fighting and just about every possible violation of the UA, TOS and CoH. Emails, flags (reports) go unanswered.

3. While I understand the "NEW and IMPROVED" nations was intended to take the work effort off of the newsvine staff with the "rule" that an ADMIN can delete or ban someone simply because they feel like it, it does turn many nations into echo chambers. As for the "if you get banned you can create your own nations...." Seriously? How does that promote debate or harmony?

Honestly 1.0, go back to this format would work better all around if you ask many of us... YES it means newsvine staff would have to participate in moderation but it would bring a consistent hand back to newsvine.

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#1.2 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 5:49 PM EST

It's been pretty clear all along: Respect Others and Be Nice! What hasn't been so clear is why some get away with thumbing their nose at the Rules while others get slapped around for it. All that has been done is the Subjectivity has been expanded to include Nation Admins. What THEY feel is a CoH violation is subject to Moderation because what constitutes a "Personal Attack" is not defined. Calling someone a "Libtard" is not a Personal Attack, but calling them an a--hole is???

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#1.3 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 8:25 PM EST

Citizen Kane-473667

I think we are saying the same thing with different words. There is an OBVIOUS conflict in the rules... Admins are to enforce CoH but they can choose how tightly/loosely to do so and they can delete/ban someone simply because they don't agree with them... and TPTB are ok with that.

  • 5 votes
#1.4 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 10:51 PM EST

the "rule" that an ADMIN can delete or ban someone simply because they feel like it, it does turn many nations into echo chambers.

This is quite true, and if it is not outright banning from the echo chamber nations, it is the collapsing of comments no matter how civil that admin disagrees with. There are nations which you dare not make a full throated case, lest you be completely excluded from the conversation. Once a conversation ends up being self reinforcing, it usually devolves down to a snark fest, which really provide no value to anyone.

  • 2 votes
#1.5 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 10:20 AM EST

1. Why can't we go back to THIS format for all discussions rather than Nations?

I know many enjoy the nostalgia of the old commenting system, but really, our current system is extremely more intuitive and easier to follow along IMO. I can tell you with certainty that there are no plans to return to this commenting format.

2. Why aren't the moderators, Tyler and company, looking at the
nations AT ALL? There is name calling, slap fighting and just about
every possible violation of the UA, TOS and CoH. Emails, flags
(reports) go unanswered.

All of the moderators are in agreement that we will take action against very egregious Nations and Admins. We wanted to post the new Code and give people a chance to learn and adapt to the new system before doing so, however.

3. While I understand the "NEW and IMPROVED" nations was intended to
take the work effort off of the newsvine staff with the "rule" that an
ADMIN can delete or ban someone simply because they feel like it, it
does turn many nations into echo chambers. As for the "if you get
banned you can create your own nations...." Seriously? How does that
promote debate or harmony?

Nations were not created to take the work off of staff, it was to build a better experience for users. I think there are many Nations that are great places for having healthy discussions and debate. Now that the rules are clearer, this will only improve!

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:31 PM EST

I think there are many Nations that are great places for having healthy discussions and debate.

I would agree with that statement, but, must point out that there are a few where the opposite might be the case. I hope that the staff accept this and do their utmost to stamp out these few that seem determined to spoil this site for the many.

Now that the rules are clearer, this will only improve!

I think you might be right, but for that to happen, we members will need your full support.

  • 3 votes
#1.7 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:47 PM EST

Sally

All of the moderators are in agreement that we will take action against
very egregious Nations and Admins. We wanted to post the new Code and
give people a chance to learn and adapt to the new system before doing
so, however.

I guess my, and others, question is where have the moderators been for the past year? We've seen you on rare occasion, Tyler less often and the new guy introduced himself with promises to frequent the threads.

Nations were not created to take the work off of staff, it was to build a
better experience for users. I think there are many Nations that are
great places for having healthy discussions and debate. Now that the
rules are clearer, this will only improve!

The CONCEPT may be great. My nostalgia for the OLD format is that the nations HAVE become echo chambers. BOTH sides have participated in BANNING/BLOCKING those they don't agree with or those who challenge their views with FACTS and citations or their reasons for deleting/banning someone. Often a question was answered with "dont' question me I'm an admin... question me again and I will block you" or worse the comment was deleted and the person was blocked with no explanation at all.

Along that question... What ever happened to "vacation" from a nation and then being allowed back in? You note that there are several well run nations but even those have blocked people permanently and reduced them to echo chambers while other nations have become free for alls with little to no moderation. Have the moderators (the three of you and your bosses) considered unblocking people from nations? I for one was blocked from a few nations and then those admins were sent packing for their actions (or lack of) and I am certain there are others on both sides in the same situation.

  • 3 votes
#1.8 - Fri Dec 5, 2014 12:17 PM EST

I think you've raised some valid questions and we will have to work together moving forward to address them. I think the new CoH is a great start!

  • 1 vote
#1.9 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 1:47 PM EST

If the NNV format is so fabulous, then why won't the moderators use it?

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#1.10 - Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:05 PM EST
Reply

I know this is Problematic, but there seems fo be at least a couple of Nations who "Gang Delete" valuable posts, and example is one of our oldest and most prolific contributors, Sophxxxxxx It seems unfair, that some seemly Right Wing newbies, can attack vested Newsviners, just to get content deleted. It is somewhat intimidating, and it is very counterproductive. There should be a way, to determine those who engage in "gang deletion" and remove them and Nations as well.

  • 14 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:03 PM EST

There should be a way, to determine those who engage in "gang deletion" and remove them and Nations as well.

I do believe they are working on it. But is is bloody annoying when they do it. I think by the end of last weekend the grand total was 11 collapses!

  • 11 votes
#2.1 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:24 PM EST

There should be a way, to determine those who engage in "gang deletion" and remove them and Nations as well.

I do believe they are working on it. But is is bloody annoying when they do it. I think by the end of last weekend the grand total was 11 collapses!

I can fully understand the frustration a poster can have from having a seed or an article collapsed for personal reasons rather than such a post being in breach of the user agreement. But there is another aspect to this that concerns me more than any personal feeling a seeder might have. This whole site relies on the revenue generated from those clicks, it is what pays the wages of the staff. Every time a good post is removed those clicks go with it, and this ultimately this type of activity we call gang collapsing or gang deletion will have a negative effect to the bottom line. It must be dealt with mercilessly by the staff moderators to maintain the good order of the site in whole. I am sure it is a case of just a few spoiling it for the many. But that is the point rather.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 11:14 AM EST

I know this is Problematic, but there seems fo be at least a couple of Nations who "Gang Delete" valuable posts.

We are definitely working on some solutions for this problem. For now, keep reporting it when you see it happening. We will get the article back up ASAP and take what action we can. Thanks!

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:44 PM EST

Hi Sally, this is my "boobie trap" post for the Gang Bangers:

http://boisestate.newsvine.com/_news/2014/12/03/26965729-black-justicethe-civil-war-undone

Go, get 'em, ha ...

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 3:49 PM EST

Sally #2.3 - We will get the article back up ASAP and take what action we can. Thanks!

Does that include posting the names and any penalty of the people doing the collapsing?

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 4:12 PM EST

Sally #2.3 - We will get the article back up ASAP and take what action we can. Thanks!

Does that include posting the names and any penalty of the people doing the collapsing?

I would be very surprised if it does. And if ASAP is up to 4-5 days in some instances then quite frankly what is the point of restoring it, they have achieved their aim of killing it. It is yesterdays chip wrapping if it is not restored in a timely fashion

  • 7 votes
#2.6 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 4:34 PM EST

Does that include posting the names and any penalty of the people doing the collapsing?

As I have said before, whilst I accept the personal aspects to the seeder when their seeds and articles are maliciously collapsed, there is another aspect to this malpractice, which is the loss of overall clicks to the site. In some cases this can be a considerable representation on the daily average. Ultimately this will have a negative effect on the site as a whole. It is therefor in everyone's best interests that this is bought to a halt as quickly as possible. That of course is in the staff moderators hands entirely.

  • 4 votes
#2.7 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 5:22 PM EST

And if ASAP is up to 4-5 days

We will work on improving those numbers. I will discuss with my team!

  • 1 vote
#2.8 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 1:48 PM EST
Reply

Very happy to see this, Tyler. Change is good.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:16 PM EST

Woohoo!

  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:45 PM EST
Reply

Good to see changes that reflect the new vine. I just hope it is backed up with action, particularly where there are sustained levels of on-going abuse and where nation admins are not doing their jobs properly.

  • 8 votes
Reply#4 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:23 PM EST

Just to clarify " self promotion " I was asked about information, that I have on a Photo Album, directing readers to that, would that be contrary to the rules?

    Reply#5 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:30 PM EST

    Why don't you report this using the 'help' tab and we can assist you in a more appropriate forum?

    Click 'help' at the top of the screen and then 'ask a question'.

    • 1 vote
    #5.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:46 PM EST

    Hi Sally, how is married life and copping with it and the " children " now back to " the Farm " As you know I have the PB Photo Album, that I have used for decades, with science information added to Graphics/Photos, so at times when I am asked about some " more details " I make the point for them to " Look at the Album " for some of the documentation is listed there,, so does that fall under the " Self- Promotion"?

    • 1 vote
    #5.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 4:23 PM EST
    Reply

    It looks to me that administrators will still be allowed to delete or ban people from their nations especially those who refuse to stop with the wise cracks at the end of their comments.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#6 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:37 PM EST

    It looks to me that administrators will still be allowed to delete or ban people.

    This is correct, within reason. The main complaint we received from users was the unwarranted deletions. This new and improved CoH address that concern, but the admins will still have a lot of autonomy.

    • 1 vote
    #6.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:49 PM EST
    Reply

    There is still no control given to an author or seeder. That was a rather large and continual request by many members. So, the thing that mattered most is still to be ignored.

    What change???

    • 4 votes
    Reply#7 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 4:42 PM EST

    There is still no control given to an author or seeder. That was a rather large and continual request by many members

    We know this. There is a thread in support where Tyler is discussing with many Viners what this would look like.

    • 1 vote
    #7.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:50 PM EST

    We know this. There is a thread in support where Tyler is discussing with many Viners what this would look like.

    Boy, do I feel left out.

    Thank you, Sally.

    • 3 votes
    #7.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 5:29 PM EST

    I don't want anyone to feel left out. Take a look!

    • 2 votes
    #7.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 1:53 PM EST
    Reply

    4.b is under plagiarism but it seems to apply more to general discourse:

    If a comment contains a personal attack or other gross Code of Honor or User Agreement violation, it may be deleted by staff or Nation Admins - regardless of the quality or nature of the rest of the comment. Users are welcome to re-post moderated comments without the offending portion(s). Link

    Further, the fact that this language gives conditions under which a comment is deleted implies that admins are indeed not free to delete comments for any reason. What are the rules for deletes and blocks?

    • 3 votes
    Reply#8 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 5:56 PM EST

    What are the rules for deletes and blocks?

    A lot of autonomy is still present for Nation Admins, but we did add this:

    Be responsible for the content you submit and exercise impartiality when deleting comments and reporting abuse.

    After we have given everyone a proper adjustment period, we will be taking a look at Nations with egregious violations.

    • 3 votes
    #8.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:52 PM EST
    Reply

    #2. No Self-Promotion - and so on.#1.1 & #5 =?

    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 6:13 PM EST

    This pretty much implies the User Agreement (as currently written) is in effect. That means the Code of Conduct, etc. is in effect. Does that mean admins are to enforce the entire User Agreement??

    Please clear this up. Do admins enforce only the CoH or are admins supposed to enforce the User Agreement too including items such as 32.a:

    a) Newsvine values and encourages debate, but will not tolerate hate speech or content that supports violence against people or entities based on, but not limited to, race, religion, gender, age, or sexual orientation.

    It seems obvious that admins must enforce rules like this but then why is this not spelled out in the CoH?

    My point, of course, is that admins need a single set of rules that they are required to enforce and the Newsvine community needs to know what those rules are. Distinguishing some rules in the CoH and leaving others elsewhere is confusing.

    The confusion is problematic since (as noted) the new CoH most definitely implies that the User Agreement is to be enforced too.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#10 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 6:37 PM EST

    I would just use your judgement and always follow the main principle to respect others. Obviously personal attacks, racist remarks, death wishing, would not be respectful of others.

    • 2 votes
    #10.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 1:54 PM EST

    Sally, then why not just put that in the CoH and be done with it? If the rules are to be general then document them in the CoH and explicitly exclude all other Newsvine documents. That seems to be the basic principle behind the CoH yet it still mentions the User Agreement and thus brings in all of its detail.

    Look at the Administrator Guide http://tigbase.newsvine.com/_news/2014/09/07/25920282-administrator-guide (and more to the point: Newsvine Rules http://tigbase.newsvine.com/_news/2014/08/27/25673749-newsvine-rules) we put together. That represents AN's understanding of what Newsvine is asking us to do as admins. We pulled from the UA, CoH and your comments.

    If this list (Newsvine Rules) is on track why not just place something like it in the CoH so that we truly have a single authoritative spot to see the rules that admins are to enforce?

    • 4 votes
    #10.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 2:10 PM EST

    The User Agreement holds a lot of information in it that we need for legal purposes. The Code of Honor, however, is the rules we mainly look at when moderating the site. You should do the same.

    • 1 vote
    #10.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 1:59 PM EST

    (Note: the formatting is an absolute mess because the editor is full of bugs. I cannot get this to look proper - it changes the format when saved.)

    I understand the UA is full of legal requirements and that is the point. Interspersed in the legal language of the UA are restrictions on behavior. Note how the CoH references the UA:

    BEGIN QUOTE (quote tool not working well)

    1. Contrary to the Purpose of Newsvine Link

      Acts that run contrary to the spirit and purpose of Newsvine, including attempts to circumvent the Code of Honor & User Agreement, are not allowed.

      1. A user's participation at Newsvine is judged as a whole. Recurring counterproductive behavior or negative contributions - even if not specifically addressed in the Code of Honor or the User Agreement - may still warrant removal of that person from the Newsvine Community. Link
      2. Nations that regularly violate the Code of Honor in content or discussions may be retired and the Nation's Admins suspended or banned. Link

      END QUOTE

      My suggestion is to not reference the UA but rather incorporate the rules of behavior that are in the UA directly into the CoH. Then everything is neatly packaged in a single authoritative, succinct document. Easy to understand the rules and easy to administer.

      To be very specific, this behavior is explicitly prohibited by the UA but is not in the CoH:

      • Libelous, defamatory content § [UA 8.4]
      • Vulgar, indecent, pornographic, obscene content § [UA 8.4, 32.1.c]
      • Impersonation, false representation § [UA 8.8]
      • Invading personal privacy § [UA 8.2,8.4]
      • Bigotry, hate speech, promotion of violence § [UA 32.1.a]
    • 1 vote
    #10.4 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 3:53 PM EST
    Reply

    This sucks!!!

    As a fellow Admin in several nations In no way am I responsible for the behavior of anybody on this site but me. The responsibility of the site's contents rest solely with the provider and that is why the report buttons go to them and not admins of nations. I certainly hope that no one was of the expectation that nation admins sole duty here was policing the playgrounds for those whose sole purpose was to disrupt or malign members of a discussion.

    If this site needs more moderators, HIRE THEM.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#11 - Wed Dec 3, 2014 8:05 PM EST

    When you agreed to be a Nation Admin, you did take on more responsibility than your peers on the site. I don't think we intend on Admins to solely be police officers, but it your responsibility to keep your Nations on track.

    However, it is entirely optional to admin a Nation, so if you aren't comfortable with that, that's okay.

    • 4 votes
    #11.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 2:02 PM EST

    When you agreed to be a Nation Admin, you did take on more responsibility than your peers on the site.

    That was not the agreement when I became an admin. There was no agreement. This was a matter that I brought up with you folks over 2 years ago when this abomination was designed.

    But I am not worried and my limited time here anymore is spent waiting for discussions to load. You also know me and my history here to not be the problem. Make sure you remain as an admin in ONV and my ass is covered :o)

    • 7 votes
    #11.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 4:43 PM EST

    Fair enough.

    • 3 votes
    #11.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 2:00 PM EST
    Reply

    There is nothing wrong with heated discussion. However, IMO, the biggest problem is that some admins are not being held accountable for their own disruptive behavior and CoH violations. This happens within and outside their own nations. Harassment. Disruption. It often seems planned and possibly strategically implemented. There appears to be no oversight or control of these "admins gone wild." From my point of view, the new nation format gives them extraordinary privileges and immunity from CoH and UA violations.

    • 8 votes
    Reply#12 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:04 AM EST

    Hopefully this shift in the CoH will shift that behavior as well.

    • 1 vote
    #12.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 2:01 PM EST
    Reply

    Pleased that the COH has been updated to reflect the Nations system.The outdated wording applying to the old Vine was causing too much confusion trying to apply it. Hoping this will help us all move forward with the times.

    • 2 votes
    Reply#13 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 12:27 AM EST

    I agree 100%

    • 1 vote
    Reply#14 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 2:04 PM EST

    I think more detail in the section on plagiarism and copyright infringement would be a good idea. The explanatory text speak more to the former and not enough to the later. Too few people are well versed in what a reasonable amount of text to use is, probably covered by fair use. I frequently see whole articles (or vast portions of them) copied in the seeded text area. I also frequently see people post different quotes of the article to different nations so that the cumulative effect is that the whole or majority of the article exists here, leaving little reason to click through.

    • 4 votes
    Reply#15 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 2:42 PM EST

    Then you might also know that some seeded articles might exist only in a " Pay " site, and so to assist those that might not have the ability to " pay " but need to be informed, that some do as you said, is that a problem?

    • 2 votes
    #15.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 9:02 PM EST

    Is theft a problem? Yeah, I'd say it is.

    • 2 votes
    #15.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 9:16 PM EST

    Theft,,, hmm ok many thanks!

      #15.3 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 9:44 PM EST

      That's a good start. I kind of wish support articles like that had visibility from the relevant portions of the Code of Honor. It's well enough to have a support site, but you need lots of avenues of ingress to a support site for it to truly be self-service.

      • 1 vote
      #15.5 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 3:42 PM EST

      ^^^What Spiffie said. I was just thinking the same thing. Put such articles into this grp so that maybe ppl might actually see them. Bringing back the FL to track individual authors would be fabulous but blue ain't my color.

      • 1 vote
      #15.6 - Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:11 PM EST
      Reply

      One thing that annoys me that blog.newsvine.com seems to be unconnected to the convo tracker.

      • 6 votes
      Reply#16 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 3:52 PM EST

      It's funny you say that, because I just started getting notices!

      • 4 votes
      #16.1 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 5:08 PM EST

      spiff:

      What a coinkydent, me too!

      • 2 votes
      #16.2 - Thu Dec 4, 2014 8:23 PM EST

      *I* seem to be unconnected from the tracker. I seed something & it always says *no activity on your column*. And I always have exactly 344 things being tracked. [insert confoozled face here]

      • 1 vote
      #16.3 - Thu Dec 11, 2014 10:13 PM EST
      Reply

      I have a problem were conservative Nations are blocking and censoring for no reason what so ever because they just will not allow a difference of opinion. They play their games and incite and then they report. Some of my post were deleted because I took stands on issues. However why is it that you allow these vines to keep censoring and blocking for no reason and spewing their Fox rhetoric and expect us liberals not to not call them on the rhetoric. When I created a Nation called DEMOCRAT-Viners it was nothing but attacks on the our Nation by the conservative nations. My members defended themselves and my post was deleted because it didn't serve the purpose and because in incited issues within Nations. Well that was the purpose to call them out on the way they did business. It was wrong.

      I'm sure you have both liberals and conservative working as admins on the Community, however let me ask, have there been fair play.

        Reply#17 - Fri Dec 5, 2014 12:29 AM EST

        I have a problem were conservative Nations are blocking and censoring for no reason what so ever because they just will not allow a difference of opinion.

        That is happening in plenty of left wingy nations too.

        Some of my post were deleted because I took stands on issues.

        I will bet $50.00 that is not the reason...it is the way you spew vitriol, bolding, repeatedly in nations...

        Well that was the purpose to call them out on the way they did business.

        So you created a nation to talk smack and then complain about others? LOL. I rest my case...

        • 6 votes
        #17.1 - Sat Dec 6, 2014 12:28 PM EST

        • 1 vote
        #17.2 - Sat Dec 6, 2014 12:28 PM EST

        This is definitely some of the behavior we are now trying to curb, so I urge you to report it when it happens from now on.

        • 2 votes
        #17.3 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 2:03 PM EST
        Reply

        I must really be "thick." I do not see a big difference in the CoH. It is shorter. My problem is the reference to plagiarism. It would appear all NVers are breaking the rules. For instance, the rules for seeding articles from the NYT. According to its rules:

        Linking to the web site, sections or articles Information regarding links is located at this URL: http://www.nytimes.com/subscribe/help/linking.html

        Q Is it possible to publish a New York Times article on my website, intranet or in other electronic environments? A Yes, it is possible to use New York Times articles in electronic formats by first obtaining permission to do so. Email or fax your request to the Rights and Contracts Department. The request will be processed when all the required information has been received and a permission license will be issued to you upon payment of the required fee.

        Does this mean that NVers must get permission and pay(NYT, WaPO, Reuters, et al) to post their articles? Is this what TPTB want--pushing Viners to write more, seed less? I'm confused.

        • 4 votes
        Reply#18 - Fri Dec 5, 2014 1:13 PM EST

        If you are seeding an article, you aren't posting the full text. Users need to go to the original site to see the article, and therefore are not infringing on any copyrights. In fact, you are bringing more traffic to the site.

        See this support article on how to properly seed and I think it will clarify the issue. Thanks!

        (http://support.newsvine.com/kb/your-column/what-should-i-put-in-my-seed-summary)

        • 3 votes
        Reply#19 - Tue Dec 9, 2014 2:07 PM EST

        Stop the gang banning of Seeds and Articles. Its for the best of the community. There have been quite a lot of people quit the vine because of it.

        • 1 vote
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